Should Storms-151 be merged into Storm-381

Question

While there is little information in either of these profiles, it appears that they represent the same individual with different name spellings.  At this early date the last name should be Storm, the Storms variation of the name didn't appear until the late 1700's.

Comments

Michael - looks like Storm has more support than Storms, but neither has anything definitive. I'll add the Dutch Roots tag to this... they might be able to find something to show what the LNAB might be (or offer an opinion more educated than mine :D).  Cheers, Liz

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Hi and thank you Liz I have added the project account as co manager and the needs (project maintenance categories) to the ones where it was still missing now, so we all can try if we can find some records for them, 

I was working last month on  Dirck Goris Storm and his wife (she is corrected and connected to the correct parents now) they both were from Oss, Noord Brabant, according the marriage record and there were a whole lot of deeds (also transcribed in Dutch) for them and looking at his patronymic (= first name of father + s or sz etc.) 

It looks like Dirck Goris Storm actually and much more likely was a son of man named Goris and not of a man named Dirck Goris, now there was one deed where a man named Goris Hanrick Storm was mentioned and I think he perhaps was his father but still need to do a bit more research to make sure...

But if it's correct, this means that just like his wife he also is probably attached to the wrong parents and it also would mean that all the deeper ancestors (the one from this G2G is also part of those) are no longer related to the NNS Dirck Goris Storm. 

The last name Storm pretty consistent is written as Storm, but sometimes the 's' was added to last names in a similar way and meaning a bit the same as the s or sz we see in the patronymics, so it's only meaning; so and so was ...Storms =Storm soon (his son)..

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Thanks Bea!

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Thank you Bea,  You have a  Pre-1500 certification, so would you please go ahead and complete this merge?  Both Lisa and I have approved the merge.  Thank you again.

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It looks like the whole lineage is wrong, at least the last name for most of them, it was not Storm but van 's Gravensande, 's Gravesande or van 's Gravesande, and Dirck Goris Storm is now indeed connected to the wrong family, see this genealogy (pedigree for the van 's Gravensande family) I think what might have caused the confusion is that there are some records from Noord Brabant, Notarial deeds etc. that are kept in the Leiden archive, there also was one for Dirck Goris Storm, so perhaps someone figured that because there was a deed for him in the Leiden archive, he was related to the 's Gravesande family, descendants of this family adopted the last name Storm van 's Gravensande in the 18th century. 

Anyway the names and dates almost all match the genealogy/ pedigree for that family which also starts with Huygh Cornelisz who was alderman (schepen) and major of 's Gravensande, his son named himself Hendrick Hugensz Storm but after that they (almost ?) all used van 's Gravesande or van 's Gravensande for last name..

Working on adding info and sources for them all now, there were some even more early profiles added/imported as well, so it probably will take some time to get them all sorted out sourced and corrected, but working on it and it at least explains why we could not find any sources for them all earlier eeh ;) 

Answer 1

My family stories are that there is some Dutch roots, but as you can see I've not gone very far with the tree---running down some family info now. I don't think I know enough or see enough overlap to merge these yet.

Answer 2

I took a fast look at the archive of Delft. Most of the documents are not going futher back than 1600. And the "weeskamer" documents are not giving exact years here. 

There is a Derick or Dirck Storm named in the archive online. But he is a son of Jan Storm; Dirck Jansz Storm. 

The first name of the father of the Derick Storm here mentioned is set as Hugo.So if that is the right name of his father he is a Derick Hugosz Storm then.....

The two profiles do definately look alike but we do not have any good sources yet. 

I only came across a short pedigree based on Ancestry.com info saying this Dirk was born in Wijck. I am sorry I'm not of any help. 

Kind regards, 

A.  

Comments

Way back when the New Netherland Settlers project first started trying to tame the chaos of duplicates that arose from the wide variety of "LNAB" to choose from, we just went with logical best when sources couldn't be found (or when sources offered a variety, we just picked one we all agreed on & merged duplicates into it).

I think that these profiles should be merged rather than wait for sources to confirm which LNAB to use & it seems that Storm is the logical best (the "s" being added when given name is used as patronym & Storm is not his father's given name).

So, I've protected Storm-381 to facilitate the merge. Let me know if there's any objection. (The merge was proposed 10 November, so if both profile managers don't ok it earlier, it should be able to be completed 11 December.)

Cheers, Liz