Need to separate three Nancy's - can you help?

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The profile for Nancy Moytoy Goodman (Moytoy-148) seems to be a mash-up of three different women, currently attached to a husband named Joseph Goodman (Goodman-2114) and with a son named Obediah (Goodman-5005). A couple of us have been trying to clean up this family group, but we could use some help.  

Some of the sources on the profile point to a white woman named Nancy, (abt. 1760-1825) the apparent wife of a Cumberland settler named William Loggins (c. 1740-1818).  No marriage record has been found as of yet so her LNAB should be Unknown, current name is Loggins. They lived in Montgomery, Tennessee where William received a grant of land in 1786.  Nancy appears on the 1820 U.S. Census as head of household after William's death.  Whoever she was, William's wife was not Cherokee.  He was actively involved in attacking Cherokee villages following an attack by the Cherokee on his settlement.  

The second Nancy was a Cherokee woman, the sister of the famous Doublehead.  Almost nothing is known of her beyond her name and her siblings. She should have an LNAB of Cherokee since she did not have a surname. There are references to her in a letter written by John Chisholm, and  "Big Nance Creek" in Alabama may have been named after her.  Researcher James HIcks believes she was married to a Cherokee man named The Badger.

The third woman is the mother of a man named Obediah Goodman.  Currently the parents of Obediah are unknown, although many on-line trees list a father named Joseph and a Native American woman and/or a woman named Elizabeth.  A couple named Joseph and Nancy Michie Goodman lived in Albemarle County Virginia.  They are well-documented with no known connection to Obediah.  Nancy Michie Goodman now has her own profile [Moytoy-214].  Extensive Melungeon research conducted by Roberta Estes and others  [http://www.dnaexplain.com/publications/PDFs/MelungeonsMulti-EthnicPeopleFinal.pdf] connects Obediah to families from Louisa and Rockingham counties in Virginia; his DNA tested descendant showed no Native American connection.  .  

I think this profile was originally meant to be the Cherokee "Na-ni" or Nancy, in which case Nancy Loggins needs a new profile of her own.  Neither of these woman has any connection to anyone named Goodman.

If anyone knows more about these families, please lend a hand with separating these women.
WikiTree profile: Nancy Cherokee
in Genealogy Help by Kathie Forbes G2G6 Pilot (883k points)
edited by Kathie Forbes
I have moved some info to William Loggins profile (with no current wife) ... https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Loggins-13

I have separated Obediah from Doublehead's sister and am working on clearing up other connections.
Note that there is another Joseph Goodman at

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Goodman-2116
Kathryn, please look at some info I added to

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Goodman-2114

It names a son Joseph Terrell Goodman, b: c1788 Cumberland Co, VA; d: bef. Mar 1840

This death date lines up with the heirs deed info I added early.

Do you think they are the same person ?

Or should I make a new profile for this new guy. I have only an excerpt of his will which doesn't illuminate. Thanks for your opinion :)
I found a source for the parents of the Joseph Goodman who married Nancy Michie.

source: "Albemarle County" p210  by Rev. Edgar Woods in 1901

Has a bio for Charles Goodman that named all his children and who they married ...

"Joseph married Nancy, daughter of Patrick Michie"
Thank you, NG and KP, for your work on this and related profiles. MUCH appreciated!
So what should be the LNAB of https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Moytoy-148
Her LNAB should be Cherokee.
Finally got around to changing her LNAB
Sigh... Estes has removed the Melungeon article from her website, and the WayBack machine does not provide access to full pdf's just a screen shot of the first page. Sigh.  I'll reach out to her and see if there is a replacement article.

Here's the link to information on the Melungeon study:

Melungeons: A Multi-Ethnic Population | Native Heritage Project

and the paper:

http://www.jogg.info/72/files/Estes.pdf

2 Answers

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Do you know why some wikitreers say Doublehead is a myth when he is mentioned in a letter of 28 June 1812 by John Chisholm ...

"Lost nearly all my property. Two negroes ran away in possesion of big Nance, Doublehead's sister. I have been constantly with Talluhuskee and his party."

source: National Archives and Records Administration, microcopy#208, roll#5 #2846.
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (296k points)
Doublehead is not a myth, he’s a well-documented and well-known- or notorious - Cherokee Chief, but much of what’s written and/or found on rhe Internet about his supposed family is myth.
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I have now sourced all those Goodmans and Obediah Goodman does not belong with any of them. I have added sources for Obediah too. But his supposed mother Nancy Moytoy is still unsourced as I can't find that a Moytoy married a Goodman and/or I don't think her maiden surname was Moytoy. Some say that the Moytoys are fictional.
by N Gauthier G2G6 Pilot (296k points)
edited by N Gauthier
There is no Cherokee family called “Moytoy” that was the name of a man.  Thank you for all the wonderful work you’ve put into this, it’s a huge improvemtnt!  I’ll look at what’s left of the Nancy’s and see if we can fix her too.
I have put in merge requests for white owl and 3 for his his wife Nancy. Only one has been done for her so far. I was still going to look at couple more Indian Nancys though.

Four years later (gawd, we've been here a long time...) we've still got Obadiah attached to Elizabeth Unknown Goodman.

Given what Kathie says above about Obadiah's parents being unknown, is there any reason to keep her attached as his mother?

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