Can we help this important Cherokee woman Nancy Ward and her family?

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I have been working for some time on various Native American profiles trying to eradicate some of the damage done by the Shawnee Heritage books and the fradulent material that has been transfered to wikitree.

Nancy Ward was a Cherokee woman held in high esteem by her people. Her parents are unknown. Her mother was from the Wolf Clan but her name is not known, although in a work of fiction she was called Tame Doe, but this was only a fictionalized name. In her profile Ward-12117, Nancy has bogus parents attached to her. Her LNAB is Ward, but this was the LNAB of her second husband, a white man, who had a separate white family whom he eventually left her to return to. The names Moytoy and Cornstalk are erroneously attached to her. Her first husband was a Cherokee man whose name translates to Kingfisher. His ancestry is also unknown yet his LNAB is Moytoy. All the Moytoy/Cornstalk/Shawnee names come from the Shawnee Heritage books.

This brings me to my question. If we want to clean up these profiles and present a better representation of these people, what do we use for LNAB? Unknown seems to imply that they have a surname but we don't know what it is. It also makes it very difficult to search for them and results in multiple profiles for the same person using different LNAB. See Wolf-1902 which I just adopted. Or Canoe-4, a woman with no ancestors, but a left over surname from a claim that she was the daughter of Dragging Canoe.

Is it possible to come to some consensus on a surname to use for these Cherokee profiles that better reflects who they are rather than the current inaccurate names of Moytoy and Cornstalk, etc.? If so, what is it?

I will throw out my suggestion, we use Cherokee as LNAB for those ancestor who do not have a surname.
WikiTree profile: Nancy Ward
in Genealogy Help by Jeanie Roberts G2G6 Pilot (143k points)
My opinion: we should not invent surnames for people who did not have surnames.

It would make more sense to me if WikiTree had a "no last name" field, analogous to the "no middle name" field.
I agree George, but we are stuck with the last name field and need something to put in there. Unknown just doesn't seem to be appropriate.
One of the issues is no doubt the ability to easily find these folks in a search to avoid the creation of duplicates. There is no rhyme or reason to the names currently given to early Native Americans here in Wikitree.  Some have the name of a tribe, a great many have made up surnames, some have English nicknames  in the last name field.  There are many, many duplicates.  Would it make any sense, or facilitate searching to put the same name in as both first and last name?  And perhaps put the tribe as an other name?  We probably don't know the actual birth name of any early Native American, since that name was likely only used within the family and during childhood.  Names might change several times over a person's life, and only the name or names known to the Europeans who wrote them down are known to us.
We can propose a change to the WikiTree database. I think this worth a discussion.

If the tribe, or ethnic group is important, perhaps a field for that information should be considered. This would have value in Russia, numerous African countries, some Asian countries, and likely elsewhere. There pitfalls with this as well, sometimes it is easy to assign an ethic group/tribe to a person, sometimes it is difficult (in colonial Mexico this was done in the church records, but there were errors made).

There has been discussion from time to time of how our American/English focus does not always work for other cultures.

What about the cases where the surname precedes the given name?

As another example, Chinese immigrants to the US might have a "real" name, and a "paper" name. How do we handle these situations?

I will admit I have not looked at all the naming policies, and also admit that I am not qualified to offer meaningful opinions on numerous other cultures.
I've had some problems with this. I have a Cherokee ancestor known as Blacksnake. His daughter, however, went by the English name of Mary Wilson. The database insists on him being known as Blacksnake Wilson which someone in the family joked that it made him sound like a riverboat gambler.  I also have in my database a family known as 'of the Wolf Clan' because I couldn't figure out what else to put there. Another option would be of great help.
”Of the Wolf Clan” strikes me as similar to references to the houses of European royalty and is not an unreasonable approach. In a genealogy program I use off-line leaving the surname field blank is an acceptable option. However, for now, for WikiTree we should follow the current style guide.
Jeanie, thanks for working on this. I think we need a separate thread on naming conventions for early Native Americans. Or retitle this one. The NA project, I think, needs to come up with a solid proposal and promote its discussion. Right now that proposal is rather buried in this thread about Nancy Ward.

You’ve done so much work on this, I think you carry a lot of clout for this argument. Also you’ve mentioned elsewhere that you’ve worked with a Native American person about these early profiles.  What does s/he say about how to deal with wikitree’s LNAB requirement?
Her name was nancy ward because her second husband who returned to his previous family was Bryan Ward, at least that's what I've read during my research.

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What does LNAB mean?
by Deborah Mayes G2G6 (7.6k points)
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last name at birth or surname. When you enter a profile into wikitree it must have a last name at birth but many Native American profiles, there is no surname.
Thanks.  I don't always know what the abbreviations stand for.
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Nancy Wards father is Joseph Lynch Martin

He was a son of Joseph Martin who was born in England, a son of William Martin.

His father came to Virginia and settled in Caroline County, where he met and married Susanna Chiles.

Joseph and Susanna moved to Albermarle County, VA.

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They had four sons:

* Brigadier General Joseph Martin 1740-1808

Captain William Martin 1742-1809

Colonel John Martin of "Rock House" in Rockingham County, N.C.

Captain Brice Martin

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The city of Martinsville, VA. is named for General Joseph Martin.

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Joseph Martin (1740-1808) was a Brigadier General in the Virginia Militia during the American Revolutionary War, in which Martins' frontier diplomacy with the Cherokee Indian Nation is credited with averting Indian attacks on the Scotch-Irish settlers who won the battles of Kings' Mountain and Cowpens, hastening the Continental Army victory. Martin was born in Albemarle County, Virginia, and later lived on his plantation "Scuffle Hill" near the Smith River in Henry County, Virginia, not far from the 10,000-acre Leatherwood plantation of his friend, Governor Patrick Henry, who appointed him Virginias' Agent to the Cherokee Nation in 1777.

Martin served in the legislatures of several Southern states, and was a longhunter, pioneer, Indian trader and real estate speculator who attempted one of the earliest settlements of what became the state of Tennessee.

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Another of his sons, Patrick Henry Martin, Joseph Martin named after his friend and sometime neighbor, Governor Henry.

After helping adjudicate the western boundary line between North Carolina, Kentucky and Virginia as far as the Cumberland Mountains, General Martin retired to his Belle Mont plantation at Leatherwood, which he purchased in 1796 from Benjamin Harrison V of Berkeley Plantation.

General Joseph Martin died at his Leatherwood plantation in 1808, and was buried in the family cemetery there. Buried alongside him at the graveyard at Belmont are three other Joseph Martins: Colonel Joseph Martin, son of the general, and his son Joseph and grandson Joseph, who lived at Greenwood plantation.

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Initially known as Henry Courthouse, the town of Martinsville, Virginia was later renamed in honor of this early soldier, planter, pioneer and real estate speculator.

For many years afterwards, General Martin remained an obscure figure, until Lyman Draper began collecting reminiscences about him, including those of Major John Redd, a prominent Henry County planter who served under Martin, and who also wrote about his early recollections of General Nathaniel Greene, George Rogers Clark, Daniel Boone, Col. Benjamin Cleveland, Dr. John Walker, and other early prominent Virginia figures.

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Col. William Martin was a son of General Joseph Martin.

Joseph Martin had 18 children by his two wives and his Cherokee common law wife.

Martins' descendants include his eldest son Col. William Martin, Tennessee pioneer, and member of the South Carolina and Georgia legislatures.

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Nancy Ward (mother of Elizabeth Ward, Josephs' 3rd wife)was born in the Cherokee town of Chota and was a member of the Wolf Clan. Her mother, whose actual name is not known, is often called Tame Doe and was a sister of Attakullakulla.[1] Her father was probably part Delaware, also known as the Lenape. Her first husband was the Cherokee man Kingfisher. Nanyehi and Kingfisher fought side by side at the Battle of Taliwa against the Creeks in 1755. When he was killed, she took up his rifle and led the Cherokee to victory. This was the action which, at the age of 18, gave her the title of Ghigau.

Nancy Ward and her husband Kingfisher had two children, Catherine and Fivekiller. Nancy then married Bryant Ward, a South Carolina colonist and Indian trader, and their child was Elizabeth Ward, the Cherokee wife of General Joseph Martin.

In the Revolutionary War, Ward warned the whites of an impending attack by Dragging Canoe, an act that has made her a Patriot for the Daughters of the American Revolution and the Society of the Sons of the American Revolution.

Nancy had the power to spare captives. In 1776, following a Cherokee attack on the Fort Watauga settlement on the Watauga River (at present day Elizabethton, Tennessee), she used that power to spare a Mrs. William (Lydia Russell) Bean, whom she took into her house and nursed back to health from injuries suffered in the battle.

Mrs. Bean taught Nanyehi her new loom weave technique, revolutionizing the Cherokee garments, which at the time were a combination of hides, handwoven vegetable fiber cloth, bought from traders. But this weaving revolution also changed the roles of women in the Cherokee society, as they took on the weaving and left men to do the planting, which had traditionally been a womans' job.

Mrs. Bean also rescued two of her dairy cows from the settlement, and brought them to Nanyehi. Nanyhi learned to raise the cattle and to eat dairy products, which would sustain the Cherokee when hunting was bad.

The combination of loom weaving and dairy farming helped transform Cherokee society from a communal agricultural society into a society very similar to that of their European-American neighbors, with family plots and the need for ever-more labor. Thus some Cherokee adopted the practice of chattel slavery. Nanyehi was among the first Cherokee to own African-American slaves.

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A monument was errected in 2008 on the old Henry Courthouse square in Martinsville, VA.

It is not Gen. Joseph Martins' tombstone.... it is located at the Martin Cemetery, Leatherwood, Henry County, VA.

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Gen. Joseph Martin was a colorful, self-willed man with a fine sense of honor. He joined the Virginia militia when he was sixteen years old; was a long hunter; gambler; Indian fighter; Colonial and

Revolutionary War officer; and a great diplomat.

He was the Brigadier General for both the Washington District of North Carolina and the Virginia Militia.

He spent a short time in Georgia on duty for North Carolina and was elected to the Georgia legislature.

He was also a Representative for Sullivian County in North Carolina legislature during the turbulent State of Franklin years and was undoubtedly the most influential person of his time to defeat the State of Franklin from becoming a permanent State.

In 1789 he sold his lands in Powell Valley (Ewing, Va.), and at Long Island (Kingsport, Tenn.) returning to his plantation located on Leatherwood Creek, near present day Martinsville, Va. (Henry County). Having spent thirteen years living in the Cherokee Wilderness lands as the peacemaker,Indian Agent and Revoluntary War General, the wilderness lost their most colorful resident, a man of remarkable abilities and great courage. In the summer of 1808 Gen. Martin made his last journey. The sixty-eight year old soldier made the long trek to the old frontier, passing through Long Island (Kingsport, Tenn.), to the Indian towns, armed with a safe-conduct pass from the Secretary of War. In the autumn of 1808, worn out and feeble, he returned to Virginia. He "took to his bed, never to rise again, and quietly died on December 18th after a life rich in every detail." He was sorely missed, not only by the white settlers but by the Indians, all

whom he had so faithfully served.
by Shaneen Gaston G2G Crew (520 points)
According to a book I have...”Nancy Ward Beautiful Woman of Two Worlds” written by genealogist Robert G.Adams..Nancy was the daughter of Oconostota and Lady Lucy Ward aka White Lily who were married in Westminster Abbey before the return to America...Tame Doe was aunt to Nancy Ward as she was the wife of Sir Francis Ward from Ireland who came to South Carolina in 1730

' ... were married in Westminster Abbey'

Westminster Abbey is not a parish church so the right to marry there is very limited.  (The Abbey  doorkeeper could get married there  if he lived in the precinct  but not necessarily  the Prime minister who lived down the road.)

 There is a transcript  of the register. Here   As you can see, in the period in question, not even one marriage a year and no Lucy Ward

see this about the story of Lucy Ward:

Lucy Ward

All complete fictional junk.  Nancy Ward’s parents are unknown.  Her mother was from the Wolf clan.  Attakullakulla was a relative of her mother.  Nancy Ward was born about 1732.  Oconostota never went to England (a totally different man named Ostenaco went in 1762) and didn’t have a white wife.  Nancy had a daughter named Betsy Ward (the daughter of Bryant Ward, a white trader, who had children by Gen. Joseph Martin.  Nancy Ward is extremely well documented but because she is so famous she is subject to a lot of myths.

Thank you for that Jeanie. It was an illuminating read. I know nothing about Native American Genealogy. It set me off on a bit of checking; who came to London? 

 I couldn't find any evidence that Oconostota was a member of the 1730 party of Native Americans 

 'Grub Street' accounts of the 1730 visit organised by Cummins  http://rictornorton.co.uk/grubstreet/indians1.htm  For facts, these require a large pinch of salt. They  are the 18th C version of Twitter and pandered to their readership  but there is a list of names. This print also includes them

https://media.britishmuseum.org/media/Repository/Documents/2014_9/29_15/36cda167_a9d7_43b2_9d94_a3b5010236b4/mid_00140018_001.jpg

Oconostrota never went to London.  Seven men went with Cumming in 1730, all well documented. All except Attakullakulla faded from the records not long after their trip and all except Attakullakulla were dead by 1756.

Ostenaco is the man who went to London in 1762 with Lt. Henry Timberlake.
I also have a Nancy Ward Married to a Michael Staley... pretty sure it's not the same Nancy Ward and I'm not sure if shes even native American but I cant figure out who her parents are either. They divorced and he remarried a Rebecca... After that Nancy is listed in the census living with her daughter, also a Rebecca ... Jane and her husband Miles Reese. I have Michael Staleys birth at 1791. His father was also Michael Staley but that's as far back as I can follow that branch... if any information is known about this line that would be great thanks.
Speaking of Nancy's .. Nancy Fields daughter of George Fields and Sarah Coody I have as the wife of Elijah Edens but theres its listed at Nancy Fields Marrying a Richard Ratliff but I cant find any real information on Richard with Nancy or their children which would have been born the same time frame as Elijah and Nancy's 9 children. Any help on that would be appreciated also. Thanks
Leslie, if you have questions about these folks I'd suggest that you pose the question directly.  Few people will see it attached to a very old question about Nancy Ward.  Here is the link to Sarah Coody Field's profile  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coody-75

and her daughter Nancy/Nannie who married Richard Ratliff:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fields-6424
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Great discussion here, not offering an opinion, but a Wikitree policy which states the LNAB should be the tribe name.

Wikitree Native Americans Project page: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Native_Americans#Name_Fields_Guidelines

Best,

RP
by Ronald Prentice G2G6 Mach 2 (25.3k points)

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