descendents of William Wallace

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I was wondering has there been any DNA tests' done for William Wallace (Braveheart) descendents to prove they are related to him?
WikiTree profile: William Wallace
in Genealogy Help by Living Hammond G2G6 Mach 8 (85.4k points)
My grandma told me that my grandad is related to William Wallace somehow, and now the first born boy in each generation has Wallace as their second name
IF you can trace your family line back to the Riccarton-Craigie line of Wallace, you have a slim chance, but would very likely be only a shirttail cousin of Sir William. His family line died out about 1380 with the passing of Sir Duncan Wallace.
His mother was a Crawford, and her descendants are still around. "Related somehow" need not mean descended from his immediate family.

My husband has Sir William Wallace in his tree.  I came across it one day just looking through lines. Do your yline halogroup. The Wallace Clan has a very specific halogroup. My husband has that group. I honestly was  just doing research on his halogroup as research . when I came across a pretty long halogroup blood rh negative page. Scrolled until I found my husbands halogroup. And found this 

It is a very old branch of haplogroup I2, but only recently SNP defined. This is the only branch of haplogroup I, which is located in the Caucasus and Asia Minor . Within it, there are several long-separated branches. Branches are typical of the Caucasian area, Armenia and Iran, as well as branches that are characteristic of Greek and Western Europe, from which most recognizable subgroup of haplogroup I2c is of the Scottish Clan Wallace

It lists a few other people but you'll find those if you're y halogroup matches when researching your halogroup. 

I just came across this post of yours from about five years ago. How did you manage to connect your trees to William Wallace? Wallace's mother was Margaret Crawford and my surname is Crawford. I've always wanted to connect our family tree back to her and see if we're also distant cousins of William Wallace. I can't get any father back than the 1700s though.
Very interested in your post.  I too have this same haplogroup (I2c1a2a is the most current appellation I believe), and yes- it's appears to be Wallace-specific, and with the I2c having three primary sub-branches A, B and C (with Wallace being of the A branch).  It is a VERY old haplogroup- essentially Neolithic, meaning the Wallaces were in Scotland before the Picts or Celts.  

  It's probably not unusual for Wallace-descended people to want to be related to THEE Wallace, but I'm not sure how that could be truly proven- as you'll notice on the Wallace page that there are Wallaces representing all of the primary haplogroups of Europe.  Any of these could be Wallace, but the name alone suggests a Brythonic origin that pre-dates the R1b group- but that doesn't mean "our" Wallace is I2c... I'd love to think so, but we have no proof.
First, background. I've been reading up on the Wallace family (various spellings of the name) for 20 years. First known Wallace in Scotland was Richard from "near Oswestry", a small town or village in today's Shropshire in England. Town or village is near Wales, Richard is believed to have come from Wales, thus the name, said to mean "Welshman." Richard was in Scotland by the middle of the 12th century, witnessed a charter about 1260 or so, held property under the Steward at today's Riccarton, just across the river from Kilmarnock. Where the Wallace family came from prior to Richard, aside from Wales, is not clear. It's possible they may have come from France with William the Conqueror in 1066, but that's not known with any certainty. In 1296, King Edward I ordered Scots to register their allegiance in the Ragman Roll. Three men named Wallace are there from Ayrshire, two from the east side of Scotland, suggesting at least two branches of the family, maybe three. This is during the period of time Sir William Wallace is attacking English in hit-and-run tactics, leading up to the Battle of Stirling Bridge in 1297. While all of this is taking place in Scotland, yet another named Wallace (spelling slightly different) is on-and-off mayor of London, Henry Wallace, thought to be of Welsh descent as well. That adds another branch to the Wallace family. Who knows how many others were in Scotland, England or even Wales at that time. On the thought that anyone is descended from Sir William, that is a definite no. His line of the Wallace family died out with the passing of Sir Duncan Wallace. The Riccarton line (first Richard's line) died out in the 19th century.
The reference to “Welsh” could be related to the fact that Strathclyde Britons spoke Cumbric or “Old Welsh”, and the area and its people were part of the Hen Ogledd, the Old North… According to the British Isles DNA study, the Welsh today (from Wales proper), still retain more of the DNA of the original pre-Celtic Neolithic inhabitants (I2), than anywhere else in Britain.  The Wallace line could have migrated north to Strathclyde from Wales, but there is also a large presence of this same DNA in Ayrshire.
The Richard Wallace line did go north from "near Oswestry" in Shropshire, that area on modern maps surrounded on three sides by Wales. Whether Richard was Anglo-Norman or Welsh is something likely never to be satisfactorily determined at this late date. That there is a large presence of that specific DNA in Ayrshire should come as no surprise, given that Ayrshire, more correctly King's Kyle region of Ayrshire, is where Richard Wallace settled in the 12th century.

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The quick answer to that is yes there are DNA tests the project name is Wallace-WALLIS Y-DNA Project ©- Background

and the URL for it is  http://www.familytreedna.com/public/WALLACEDNA

 

there is a list of some results on the about this group and then results.

Hope this helps

by Billy Wallace G2G6 Pilot (230k points)
selected by Burton Bagby
Thank you, Billy.  I was asking because I am trying to find valid proof that William Wallace (Braveheart) od Scotland had descendants.

The earliest surviving comprehensive portrayal of William Wallace’s life is the epic poem by Blind Harry known today simply as “The Wallace.” Blind Harry lived and wrote in the last half of the 1400s, about 150 years after Wallace’s death. He wrote down many of the popular stories about Wallace’s life and legend, performing at the court of James IV to great appreciation.

Marrion Braidfute of Lamington was, according to Blind Harry, a maiden whom William Wallace courted and married. She was killed by Sir William Heselrig, the English Sheriff of Lanark. Wallace avengedher death by killing Heselrig and then dismembering his corpse.

There is no historical evidence to corroborate her existence.

There are no records to verify proof.  Would you have the documentation to prove that he was married and had children?
You're welcome. I know of no documents relating to Sir William Wallace and a marriage or having children. As far as I am aware no historical or genealogical search has ever recvovered any such documents. I do know that Edward I "Longshanks" King of England got documents from Wallace when Wallace was captured at Ralph Ra's toun ( it's called Robsoyston now) in Glasgow. What became of them I do not know, but the tendency at that time/era was to destroy anything connected to Sir William Wallace, even his body was sent to different parts of the country. Wallace's head being kept on a spike on London bridge until it vanished.

     If I find or come across any references I'll let you know.

Thank you, Billy!  Your assistance was very much appreciated.smiley

Interesting extra information for you regarding Sir William Wallace is here at

 

http://www.lanarklanimers.co.uk/brochure_art_2005_19.asp
A document to research regarding Wallace is the biography written by William Wallace's personal friend, a cleric called John Blair does not survive
Update for information regarding Sir William Wallace. I found documents regarding Sir William Wallace in the vatican archives (URL for for the Vatican archives is  http://www.vaticanlibrary.va/ ) . You need to switch the language to English to understand the results and then work from ancient "English" to modern English. Hope this helps.

The hard source to get answers from is he Vatican Secret Archive (URL is http://asv.vatican.va/?lang=en )
 

P.S.

You might guess by my name I have a vested interest in Sir William Wallace as well.
The Lanark Connection is really informative.  It has been so long since I've been to Scotland. (I lived in Liberton outside of Edinburgh) Like you, I have a very big interest in Wallace.  He was Scotland's hero and always will be for various reasons.

Bill, let's continue our conversation but off the message board. awright?   :)
Check The Book of Wallace and There Are a Couple of Books about the Baillie Family's.

I Dont think the Books about The Bailies have Source Citations Listed

1 is Called The Book of Baillies and Lamington and Dunain

The other is the Lives of Baillies .

There are Scanned Digital Copies of the Books Free to DOWNLOAD JUST GOOGLE FOR THEM

I am also in the Wallace Y Dna Group, i have Y Dna Matches and Family Finder matches
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Hello, I have recently taken a DNA test and, coincidentally as of yesterday, it was mailed off and is currently being sent to the lab to be tested. According to WikiTree, William Wallace is my 21th Great Grandfather direct. I have heard different opinions about William having children, and descendants alive today, but no actual proof. If I am the great grandchild of William, then who 's DNA do I look for a match to, when I get my results? The connection to William Wallace may be a family tree error or simply a neat family discovery. So to be certain, I am currently re-checking all my sources and making sure that everything is correct, while I wait the 4-6 weeks for my results. I will be sure to let everyone know what I find. Correct or not. However, I am hoping that it is true, as that would be quite a find, in my opinion. If the DNA is true, does it mean that history books will then have to be updated? Maybe with my name in it? Would I be entitled to some sort of title, like Laird, Baron or Sir? Knighted by the Queen perhaps? Given land that belonged to the Wallace family? Or nothing at all? Is there anyone else on WikiTree that is a grand child of William Wallace? Not including cousins. Great Grandchildren only. Am I the only one? Thank You!
by Shawn Stoner G2G3 (3.3k points)
As noted above, all William Wallace descendants died out centuries ago.

His remains are lost, so there is no DNA for direct comparison.

The best would be with a relative, whose descendants have survived.
Thank you, I obviously could not get his DNA for direct comparison lol For sure I would need to match to a relative whose descendants have survived, as was the reason for what I wrote. I was referring to how I might go about finding a match through his other family descendants, more so......looking for where I might find a list of his family descendants who have taken a DNA test, so I could match to that. It would be pointless to pick one of William's family members for DNA comparison when they have not taken a test. There would be nothing to match the DNA to. I basically am looking for a list of people who relate to Wallace so that when I get my results, I can easily compare to people on the list instead of searching through every family branch till I find someone who has been tested. Does WikiTree have a page with a list of people related to William Wallace through positive DNA testing? Thank you for your answer!
I have been informed my mother had William Wallace's kilt, my grandmother brother was a Wallace and that would make me a gg grandson I am also curious about the outcome let me know
His Kilt?  Kilts originated around 16th century.
I don't think it would be his kilt. kilts didn't come around till 16th century, William wallace never wore one. Good example is the braveheart film, The timeline is off, they didn't wear kilts, king Edward died 2 years after wallace and Isabella was only around 12 when she married the king. I am a wallace, I don't think I'm connected to him. I'm in ireland mine came from Scotland, some moved around after coming to Ireland moved to America New Zealand etc. I'm just loving reading the history, finding out new things and trying to put a puzzle together.
Hello! I just read your comment about Sir William Wallace, I work with one of hid great......grandson! My name is Beth!
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Legends abound in Scotland because so few records exist that early.

DNA that most folks use is autosomal and only relevant to about 4 generations so this is much too early for that to be of any use.  

Y-dna is different and the one you would want to use.  

This is pretty good synopsis of the legends

https://www.clanmcalister.org/wallace2.html

The POMs which are actual charters show the following for anyone named Walace https://www.poms.ac.uk/search/?index_type=person&q=Wallace&min_date=1093&max_date=1371

I also tried the spelling Wallis and Wallys but there were none.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/  there are 3 Wallace listings.  Am pretty sure the William listed is not the Braveheart William.

https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/william-wallace-myths-busted-1-3908858

https://clanwallace.org/cw/wallaces-wife-marion-braidfute-was-invented/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Harry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wallace_(poem)

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/49580  This is the Jamieson version published 1869

https://digital.nls.uk/scotlandspages/timeline/1488.html  the oldest known version

Hope you find something here of interest.
by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (835k points)
"DNA that most folks use is autosomal and only relevant to about 4 generations so this is much too early for that to be of any use.  "

That's actually quite untrue.Autosomal can go back as far as 11 generations! On average only 1/2048th of it survives from a person that far back. And, of course for two random people to match someone that far back the probability is that squared (barring cousin marriages). But ... if you have shown that you know segments that come from that person, proven by triangulation of lots of people and also by Y-DNA and/or  paper trails, its the 1/2048th that mattters. The probabilities are  such that a goodly fraction of people who have autosomal dna in that line will have enough (say >8 cM) that they are reasonably reliable, and a few will have as much as 20 cM.

In the Clan we actually have such a situation. We established several men whose Y chromosomes matc.  Several claim the common ancestor was the person  John MacDonnell "of Moyne, co,. Clare, Ireland, 1670-1704". John is well attested historically but there is, as far as we can tell, zero paper connecting him to America. There's an early 20th century book that does ... with no reference.

Of  course, the Y DNA is proof that such a person existed, just not what his name was. We DO know, 100% sure, now 100.0000% sure thanks to the Telomere-to-telomere project's reference Y chromosome (*), that all these DNA testees descend from John 1st Lord of the Isles, d. 1386, who had four sons with well attested paper trails. Three of those are accounted for with DNA and perfect paper trails to the present. The fourth, as I said, has a great paper trial all the way up to John "of Moyne"'s father, passing through the famous "Sorley Boy" MacDonnell.

We know the purported paper paper trails of several of John's relatives in Ireland (his wife and  her parents and siblings, as well as those of the wife of one of his sons).

Thanks to Gedmatch (and only with the  tools Gedmatch supplies is doing the finding not a hoplessly slow task) I have done a statistical analysis of matching autosonmal segments for those people with paper trails. Some of them are in America, in the correct places where John's purported descendants lives, while others are for living people still in Ireland. The analysis shows that the probability of a match of randomly chosen people with ancestors of the correct surname is low not non-zero.The probability that a person named MacDonnell or McDaniel with matching autosomal DNA that does not triangulate is much higher if the person is living in county Clare than other places in Ireland, and vastly higher if living in the three towns where John was, i.e. Moyne, Kilrush, Kilkee and Ennis. The same is true of people surnamed Frith, John's wife's mother. Those matches go back to the 1630s.

Do note that the average age of the parents in these lines is well above the overall average of 31 for men, especially starting about 1810. In my own line its above 40.

I propose that all these statistics are good enough to prove, from the autosomes, that the purported lines are correct. One additional statistic: the segment size distribution of all matching segments starting at 5.5 cM for all the people who have good paper trails is exactly correct compared to simulations. The segment size distribution for randomly chosen matches is biased very much to tiny segments. (Of course, that we have triangulation formany of  the expected people is an even better test.)

I should add at this point that I spent over 1000 hours doing all that work. It would be a lot less if every site had tools as good or better than Gedmatch. Of course its absolutely impossible at Ancestry.

This of course has little to do with Wallace, but lots and lots of men in these lines fought with him.

(*) the marker that delineates him, CLD56, is neither an STR nor a SNP, but rather a delete 9415 bases long
I'm not sure that's reliable methodology, given the short cM, the possibility of people farther than 2C not matching at all, the differing sites for each of the tests, etc.

It may be true in your unique case, given the hours of research you have used, but probably not a recommended course of action for most people.
To Mr. Crawford's reply to me.

I assure that it IS reliable. Its very reliable. Done properly, which is of course lots of work, the statistics give you a good estimate of how reliable.

Its particularly reliable because it traces several of the people in a reported cluster around the person of interest. One critical thing is that if you are trying to go across the ocean, it behooves you to try to connect the living descendants (still back in the mother country) of the relatives of the person of interest before they immigrated, to you and your relatives. This can't be done by Y-DNA.

You need at least some to triangulate.

Its up to you whether to fixate enough on one person to do the work. If Wallace actually HAD descendants, he would be one of the cases very very much worth doing.

The case I described probably has 10,000  to 20,000 men in it worldwide, based on y-chromosome statistics. We have 17 y-str testees, 12 bigYs, and two single-SNP testees.
Do you have a link to your research? I'd like to read more if possible.
James I go by ISOGG stated reliability of autosomaldna at various levels. Please query for Reliability ofAutosomalDNA matching past 4 generations.  My statement is based on their statement it is highly reliably to second cousin level.  Please see their page on autosomalDNA
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I see this old chestnut has reared its head again. William Wallace had no children and therefore had no direct descendants. Experts are not even sure exactly who he was and there are several suggestions as to the exact identity of his father. The expert on him is Dr Fiona Watson from Stirling who has recently written that it is time to take a cold, hard look at Wallace. The question is whether the man was all that has been claimed or whether much has been attributed to him after his death and therefore is as fake as the sword which hangs in the Wallace monument above Stirling.  Many claim the real mastermind behind the battle of Stirling Bridge was Sir Andrew de Moravia (referred to as Sir Andrew Murray) who of course was killed and therefore not able to speak for himself.
by Mark Sutherland-Fisher G2G6 Mach 4 (45.2k points)
We cannot say Sir William Wallace had no children, only that there is no contemporary record of him having had children. A later tradition claims he had a daughter from whom the Baillies of Lamington were descended, but there is no way to tell if that tradition is true or false. In other words, whether or not Wallace has living descendants is a question that genealogy cannot answer.
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As others have noted, there are no known male-line descendants of Sir William Wallace, and there is no historical/genealogical record of him ever having had any sons. It is probable that other Wallaces are related to the Wallace, so their y-DNA would help identify the Wallace's Y haplogroup.

According to tradition, Sir William Wallace had a daughter who was the ancestor of the family of Ballie of Lamington. If true, the descendants of the Ballie family would be the Wallace's only living descendants, but as female-line descendants would not have inherited his Y chromosome.
by Jared Olar G2G6 (7.8k points)

Since William Wallace had no proven heirs, the closest relation could be through a brother or his father.
Even Paul McCartney is sure he is related to him in some measure.  In his book "Billy's Back", he claims a grand or great grandmother of his, was/is the keeper of a large family record group taking it back to William or his father. 
I don't hold any credence to it for the same reason anyone else cannot prove it.  Records just were not kept that far back. Paul McCartney's book is so far off the deep end that I ended up tossing it because of his claims. It was totally bizarre in some chapters.....and the reason he was required to call it a "historical fiction."

"Records just were not kept that far back."
On the contrary, records certainly were kept in the Wallace's day, and a large amount has come down to us -- but probably the majority are no longer extant. In this case, confirmatory proof of the Baillie of Lamington tradition is lacking.

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I was his great great great grand child
by anonymous G2G Rookie (260 points)
Maybe you're the great-great-great-grandchild of a man named William Wallace, but it is chronologically impossible to bridge the time from circa 1300 to the present day in just five generations. In addition, there is no genealogical evidence to support that Sir William Wallace ever had any children. *IF* he had any descendants, there is no way to tell who they might be.
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I am a descendant of William Wallace! I am his great,great (several greats)niece. I am a descendant of his sister,Mary.
by Mary Lampl G2G Rookie (290 points)
Hello Mary, currently William Wallace is not listed with a sister named Mary. Were you signing your post? Or perhaps referring to https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wallace-3701, who married into the Bailies of Lamington?
And anyway, you're not a 'descendant' of William Wallace.  You are 'related to' him.  You would be a descendant of his father, Malcolm.  You are a descendant of Mary (but see Jonathan Crawford's comment above).
Malcolm was most certainly not the father of three sons, Malcolm, William and John. In 1999, retired Professor A.A.M. Duncan reviewed William's seal attached to the Lubeck letter written one month after the Battle of Stirling Bridge. On his seal, he stated that he was William, son of Alan.
Bob, Malcolm seems to have been known as Alan at times, per his profile. If you have sources for your information, please comment on the profile and let the Scotland Project know so it can be incorporated into the information here.
Jonathan, it's amazing how easily you slipped that bit in here! Malcolm comes to us by way of Blind Harry's book, that book sponsored in the 1470s by Sir William Wallace of Craigie. One or both knew very little about the other branch of the Wallace family only 170 years after Sir William's brutal execution in 1305. In fact, that branch of the Wallace family died out in 1384 with the passing of Sir Duncan Wallace. Alan would not have been known as Malcolm, the names are not interchangeable one with the other. THE Malcolm Wallace we know of was the older brother, not the father. A mere handful of genealogy "experts" have within the past few months or years concocted a handful of pages on "Malcolm" to the degree that we now have a Malcolm Alan Wallace as father of the Patriot, and Sir John Wallace of Riccarton, he who married the Lindsay heiress about 1371, has magically become Malcolm John Wallace. At this rate, Malcolm will surpass William as the most popular Wallace name for anyone to have! Much information has been published over the past 25 years that I am aware of, and is available to anyone willing to find it, that ought to provide enough information for anyone to understand how much of Blind Harry's book is misleading at best. Worst of it is Harry's conclusion that William Wallace won the Battle of Falkirk in 1298 when it was the English army that decimated the Scots.
I am not attempting to be contentious Bob, and was not "slipping" anything in. I am simply saying that since we all would like his profile to be correct, if you have a way of helping it become better, please collaborate to do so.

The profile currently mentions Blind Harry, as it must do, but includes 23 other sources, five additional that are named but have not been found to confirm and a list of 19 others under "See Also". Clearly the profile managers and Scotland Project are trying to be careful and accurate.
My comment about "slipping" something in was to make you aware that I have seen, on far too many occasions, these little genealogy gems that continue to percolate throughout several of the genealogy web sites. Frankly, those people with too much time on their hands ought to go elsewhere!

When I first began researching William Wallace, I, like many others before and obviously some still coming along, thought Blind Harry was quite the authority on William Wallace. Given further looking at subsequent publications on the subject, along with reflection on what Harry had to say, it seems to me that modern historians looking into the Wallace "record," such as it is, are slowly punching holes in much of what Harry's book gives us. Mention in the earlier comment about Professor Duncan's observation on Wallace's seal can be found in  Edward J. Cowan's "The Wallace Book," along with other commentary from some prominent historians on the topic. Cowan's book was first published in 2007.

In any of this updating of details on William Wallace, will anyone bother to consider that there is no record of William marrying or of having one or more children; that his line died out in 1384 with the passing of Sir Duncan Wallace? That line held the Auchincruive (or Hackencrow) estate for some number of generations, had Sundrum estate added to it during or before the time Duncan Wallace held the pair. On the other Wallace line, Riccarton to Craigie, the last member of that line I am aware of was Frances Anna (Wallace) Dunlop of Dunlop, a friend of Robert Burns. She passed away in 1815.

This last may be beyond where any updates on William Wallace may choose to go. That said, we were just at a Scottish Games event in the Phoenix (AZ) area this past weekend and met several people who were looking for validation of their being descendants or related to William Wallace in some manner. IF such were possible, they ought to have somewhere in the range of 21 to 28 generations going back that far. That there is no way to make that happen doesn't appear to faze these people given that their record comes from one or another of the genealogy web sites easily found on the internet. Between what I find here frequently, added to what we hear and see at Scottish Games in Arizona, much of this gets old very quickly. One might well ask the question, will it ever get sorted.
I'm not sure what you're looking for, Bob, but Sir Duncan is here on Wikitree (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wallace-638 ), and his brother Adam (the Riccarton to Craigie line - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wallace-6324). Frances is on here, and it appears she has multiple descendants. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wallace-16410

There is a wide path of descendants from that Riccarton to Craigie ancestry on here as well.

Please jump on in, the water is fine, and many people would welcome any additional clarifications you can provide!
What I passed along yesterday was what has been learned over the past 15 years of reading about this family. Of the three links you provide, the first two are incorrect to one degree or another -- two separate posters -- the third is pretty well done but omits one of the sons taking on his mother's maiden name to continue the Wallace name.

For the link with Adam and Duncan, each is on a separate line within the Wallace family: Adam is of the Riccarton line, Duncan is of the Auchincruive line and not a brother connection, more like a cousin of one degree or another connection. (Note a large discrepancy in dates for these two men.)

Having one or another first name show up in one generation after another does lead to confusion. One of the folks we talked with at the Scottish Games in Phoenix this past weekend told us of being related to John Wallace, presumably the younger brother of Sir William. That connection, if indeed one exists, is far more likely to go back to John Wallace of Riccarton/Craigie, not the younger brother of Sir William. (Passing of Frances Anna in 1815 would seem to put an end to the Craigie line.)

On the Duncan link, the owner of that page may be close. My reading suggests Duncan's father was a Robert, not Richard, that combination of men likely connecting to John the younger brother, which would, I suspect, be possible if the older brother, Malcolm, had passed away prior to 1307, allowing for John to take on the Auchincruive estate and pass it along to Robert, later to Duncan. Following Duncan's passing in 1384, the pair of estates, including Sundrum, went to the Cathcart family for about 300 years.

On Malcolm the older brother, I have not to date found any information on when he died. Last known mention of him comes from a meeting at Selkirk in 1299 when Malcolm in the Bruce camp gets in a scrap with a member of the Comyn camp while discussing Sir William's leaving Scotland without permission. Demand was made for goods and property held by Sir William.
I was lead to this information by a search done on my first and last name being an exact match to Williams sisters name after marriage? My name is Mary Lampl by birth. Is any of that verifiable?
Well this sure has been an upstir!  I have to say if going by personality traits alone,I must be related to every single one of you! Long live the loyalist,unfettered blood of a clan quick to defend and not likely to back down from any challenge. If we aren’t related, I make a motion here and now to adopt the lot of you! Much love,

Mary Lampl
There is a sideways reference to sisters made in one or more stories about William Wallace fighting with nephews at his side. One of them surnamed Halliday, the other surnamed Little. IF this is accurate, then William did have two sisters, but again this depends on the accuracy of such a claim. But it also raises another question or two, that being that having nephews fighting alongside means the sisters would have had to be significantly older than William to have nephews old enough to fight in their late teens or early 20s. Does this indicate a lengthy time between the birth of sisters and the birth of sons, or the father having a first and second wife? Questions keep coming; answers are few and far between.
Other possible interpretation that occurs to me with no other knowledge than the statement "One of them surnamed Halliday, the other surnamed Little", one sister, but two husbands, one child with each of them? And/or adoption of those nephews
Probably not, depending. One researcher published in 1999 under author name Craufuird C. Loudoun states he worked through Crawford family papers at Dumfries House over a ten-year period, found two sisters, four brothers. No guarantee those names were written at the time, or may have been added in much later. (Author's book came out late enough in 1999 to note that recent review of Wallace's seal indicate a father's name of Alan, not Malcolm. David Ross book early in 1999 makes no such reference.))
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William Wallace would be my 17th ggf on my father's side.  I have done my DNA test and uploaded it.
by Darlene Thomson G2G Crew (500 points)

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