can someone give me a helping hand in 'advanced' inline citing( multiple references to same text)?

Question

Just started this profile, an interesting man, living in Elizabethan England He  divorced his wife and remarried(or not)  whilst she was still living . (not allowed in the C of E  until 2002)

Not surprisingly, I was able to find  original documents  quoted in full within secondary sources.

I want to cite these correctly. I've had a go at the first  and  ended up with

"Stawell, Colonel George Dodsworth ,A Quantock family, the Stawells of Cothelstone and their descendants, the barons Stawell of Somerton, and the Stawells of Devonshire and the County Cork p 339 note 10 Family Search Library citing,

Escheators Inquisitions, Series I I , File 931, No. 1.

Inquisition taken at Bridgewater in the said county the 20th day of September, 34 Hen. 8 [1542], before John Soper, esq., escheator, after the death of John Stawell ....

John Stawell died 25 August 33 Hen. 8 [1541]. John Stawell son of Richard Stawell deced, is his kinsman and next heir, viz., son of the said Richard, son of the said John Stawell, esq., and the said John, son of Richard, was aged 6 years on th 30th day of July last past."

Which covers it but  this book has several other documents on different pages that  I also want to refer to.

A second major source which again contains transcripts and translations of the original documents is

Chadwyck-Healey, Charles Edmund Heley, Sir, and  Dibdin, Lewis T Sir, ''English Church Law and divorce''  )https://archive.org/stream/englishchurchlaw00chaduoft#page/n93/mode/2up

Up until now I've used the 'old fashioned' ibid and op cit which is what I was taught to do. Can someone tell me (show me)  how to format the first mention of  each of these two sources so that I can repeatedly cite different pages from them.

Answer 1

If your using the same source for multiple facts your trying to reference I would do

 

<ref name="name of reference"> Source information goes here </ref>

 

Than when you want to reuse that source all you have to do is type

<ref name="name of reference"/>

I would allege that if your using a different page this may or may not work unless there multiple source points on each page.
 

Hope this helps however I had hard time following what you stated but I would not blame it on you. (needs more coffee)

Comments

Ah it's hard to explain.

Basically there are two secondary sources. With these two plus other sources  we  get something of a  picture. Both quote, transcribe and translate primary sources (source 2 translates legal records from the Latin originals)  I need to quote multiple pages from each source.I also feel with each reference I need to quote the relevant information and add the original citations given by the author.

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I think I understand what your saying Lucy gave an intriguing answer below that may or may not fit what you want. I never seen it used but may be applicable.

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I think I can find an example profile where I used the span tags.  Wait here.

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I'm going to have a go with both methods to see if I'm able to get it right using Tias 'practice' space.

I'm OK with how to do  basic inline citation but  then often miss something somewhere and spend ages  having to edit the formatting.

Answer 2

If you want to reference the same source, but different pages, you can use the <span> tag.

ENTER:

=== Sources ===

<references />

* <span id='Lucy Book'></span>Lucy. ''The Super Cool Genealogy Book'', New York, New York: Published by the author, 2017.

IN THE BIOGRAPHY:

So and so was born in Brooklyn on the sunny side of the street. <ref>[[#'Lucy Book'| Lucy]], pg. 241.</ref>

La La had the following brothers and sisters. <ref>[[#Lucy Book|Lucy]], pg. 259.</ref>

The superscript [1] will create a link to the reference and under the sources you'll get:

== Sources ==

1 Lucy, pg. 241.

2 Lucy, pg. 259.

* Lucy. ''The Super Cool Genealogy Book'', New York, New York: Published by the author, 2017.

Comments

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hutzler-66

 

The <span> tag is used on this profile.  If you look at it under the edit tab, you'll see how it was done.

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I think I can see what to do. Is this right?

Biography

His father died when he was an infant, and on his grandfather's death in 1541, he became heir to large estates in the West country. His birth date of 30th July 1536 has been calculated from his grandfathers inquisition post mortem <ref>[[#Stawell | Stawell]], pg. 339, Note 10,  citing Escheators Inquisitions, Series I I , File 931, No. 1.

:Inquisition taken at Bridgewater in the said county the 20th day of September, 34 Hen. 8 [1542], before John Soper, esq., escheator, after the death of John Stawell .... etc</ref>

 

Then underneath  sources /references heading I put

* <span id='Stawell></span>Stawell. Colonel George Dodsworth ''A Quantock family, the Stawells of Cothelstone and their descendants, the barons Stawell of Somerton, and the Stawells of Devonshire and the County Cork" followed by link to the book

When I refer to another  document from  the same  book,  I would again put  <ref>[[#Stawell | Stawell]]  followed by the new page number, the citation to the original document and then any quote from the transcription </ref>

The trouble is I  suspect I will get in a muddle but I will have a go on the practice page set up for me by Tia.

 

Answer 3

I set up a space page, to show you an example of what you may like: you can do this to play around with formatting and such, till you get just right.

[[Space:Example of Citations|Example of Citations]]

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Space:Example_of_Citations&public=1

I recommend that you have a separate source for each page you are referencing, since you will be quoting passages. It will be easier on the reader/researcher.

Hope this helps. I used Full Citations an example of an inline citation. And I went ahead and sourced your second book.

Have fun playing around with it.

Comments

Thank you for doing that,  I think that the freespace page to play about with the different methods from each answer is a very good idea.

  I was though trying to avoid giving long titles for each citation. (that's why up until now I've used op cit and ibid )

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your welcome. I like full long titles, that might just be me, but it lets me know months down the road, what book I specifically used. Vol 1 or 2? and such. But I'm from the generation where it was ingrained into us to type in full citations or I just had an english teacher that was very picky LOL.