G'day Maureen. Thankyou for postin that link but unfortunately i have already seen that link & didnt help me what so ever :-(. I tried googlin Felippa Pate (Born Rock - 1923), Christopher Pate ( b.15/11/1952), Joe Rock (25/12/1893 - 5/12/1983) father of 2 children (Felippa Rock & Phillip Rock - 1926), Michael Pate (Born Edward John Pate) b.1920-2008 which Michael Pates parents are: Walter Pate & Margaret pate (Born Mckee) plus their birth dates, marriage dates etc & still havent found any info for me to input into me family tree. Someone out there has to have some sort of info that can give me a fair idea on where they all sit in me family tree, unless The Michael Pate, Felippa Rock, Joe Rock, Phillip Rock, Christoper Pate, Walter & Margaret Pate had made their life really, really private & make it hard for other family member to gather info.