Anyone have mtDNA haplogroup T2b3-C151T from Nova Scotia?

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Amelia (Emeline)  Unknown (possible Trahan) 1822–1859
BIRTH ABT. 1822 • Gran Pre, Nova Scotia, Canada
DEATH 16 OCT 1859 • Goshen, HantCounty, Nova Scotia, Canada

Married John Gilmore Scott about 1840 in Nova Scotia

WikiTree profile: Emeline Scott
in Genealogy Help by Cheri Amarna G2G2 (2.3k points)

I assume T2b3-C151T is what 23andMe reported for your haplogroup.  What did Family Tree DNA report?

That is the FamilyTree DNA haplogroup. I did not do 23andMe mtDNA.

In your mtDNA matches list at Family Tree DNA, what do you see? Do your matches report Acadians for their earliest known ancestors? What origins/surnames do their family trees show for their maternal lines?

Right now your maternal line on WikiTree shows you as a maternal descendant of Marguerite Doucet. Her descendants report their haplogroup as T2b7a2. See the Mothers of Acadia mtDNA project at FamilyTree DNA, and this diagram of Marguerite Doucet descendants by Denis Savard.

I am extending my search to this mtDNA to Nova Scotia. The maternal line to M. Doucet is a hypothesis and it says uncertain. I am very familiar with the information you listed. However, I have extra mutations that are not usually present in my haplogroup but are present in 72b7a2. I have included a screen shot.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPL3d8Ru0jAut7wq6tXYPwkKQxIZ8mKV/view?usp=drivesdk

I'd recommend contacting Denis Savard directly. He should be able to tell you whether the mutations could make sense with the genealogy hypothesis.

You note that it is a hypothesis that Amelie  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-673349 is the daughter of [[Doucet-3377|Monique Doucet (1806-abt.1824)]].  A comparison of your mtDNA with your suspected matrilineal line cousin [[Grant-14756|Jason Grant]]  reveals 2 differences in HVR1, 2 differences in HVR2, and 8 differences in the Coding Region:  https://www.mitoydna.org/public/mtCompare?MtyID=T12623%2CT19914 .  

A sufficient mtDNA match (almost always) requires zero or only one difference.  Unfortunately, your mismatch is not supporting evidence for the hypothesis that Amelie  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-673349  is the daughter of  [[Doucet-3377|Monique Doucet (1806-abt.1824)]].  So you and [[Grant-14756|Jason Grant]] don’t share a matrilineal line ancestor in a genealogical time frame.

Does it matter that I have I extra mutations that are not usually present in my haplogroup but are present in 72b7a2. And how do I make this picture show up here so I don’t have to send a link.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPL3d8Ru0jAut7wq6tXYPwkKQxIZ8mKV/view?usp=drivesdk

Hello Cheri,  Extra mutations and missing mutations matter. That is why comparing rCRS differences (or RSRS differences) is important and matching haplogroups can be misleading (because those just sharing the same haplogroup share a matrilineal line ancestor earlier than those who share the same haplogroup and the same extra and missing mutations).

Your screen shot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPL3d8Ru0jAut7wq6tXYPwkKQxIZ8mKV/view?usp=drivesdk is looking at your mtDNA differences from the RSRS (Reconstructed Sapiens Reference Sequence).  mitoYDNA.org uses mtDNA differences from the rCRS (revised Cambridge Reference Sequence).  Using differences from the rCRS allows mitoYDNA to be compatible with other labs which don't report mtDNA differences from the RSRS (which includes most of the published scientific literature).

In my screen shot above, for user ID T12623, you can see his rCRS HVR1 and rCRS HVR2 differences.  His Coding Region differences (Diff CR) only show the number of differences (not the actual location labels where there is a difference). Comparing rCRS differences (my graphic above) with RSRS differences (your link) is like comparing tangerines and oranges. Your link also includes some coding region differences which mitoYDNA does not display (in case they have health related implications).

72b7a2 should be T2b7a2.

To include a graphic in a G2G post... 

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On your free space page, click on the Images tab and upload the graphic to that free space page. 

Click the link for "[click here to see the full-size original image]".  

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Most sincerely, Peter

Thanks Peter, really helpful.
T2b, the common denominator here, is at least 4700 years old. According to the Yfull Mtree, both lines branched off about 3600-3700 years ago. So not related to «Madame Bourg», the main Doucet line matriarch T2b7a2a.

Your line more likely descends from Quebec's Jeanne Auneau:
https://francogene.com/triangulation/TRI0306.php

Or Geneviève Chavanne
https://francogene.com/triangulation/TRI0711.php

Or Martine Cronier
https://francogene.com/triangulation/TRI0027.php

Or Marie Pinet (not Acadian)
https://francogene.com/triangulation/TRI0307.php

Or, and not the least, Mathurin Robin
https://francogene.com/triangulation/TRI0045.php

«Madame» Bourg's tested descendants are here (Mothers of Acadia Project):
https://savart.info/AcadieADN/MmeBourg.pdf

T2b3-C151T is now referred as T2b3-a by YFull (temps placeholder for next name available), who estimate the appearance of mutation C151T 2800 years ago. Unfortunately, this is the kind of definition expected on mtDNA. Historical matches should have about 0 mutations, or Genetic distance as Peter pointed out.

Yfull has essentially become the go to reference on phylogeny since the ISOGG dropped maintenance its own tree, which has become way too large for the volunteers involved. Dating may not be perfect, but the best out there IMO.
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/T2b/
Thanks Denis. I see. My ancestor was from Hant county Nova Scotia. All these other women were from Quebec. Do you know if any of their families ended up in Nova Scotia. I am familiar with all these T2b3-a you mentioned but not found a connection to Nova Scotia.
The branch being 2800 years old, there are plenty of other options, possibly English too. Or Scots in your case. So no, not necessarily from those women.

If we look at the composition of descendants, its likely of Norse origins. So from Normands in France and Vikings in England and Scotland, perhaps:
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/T2b-a/

Thanks Denis. So does anyone have T2b3-a from Nova Scotia or New England or New York in the 18th century. I have yet to find anyone that has 0 distance, one 1 distance.

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