Two questions about dates

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I just ran into this marriage record from Unterturkheim, Wurttemberg, 1799.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/326kq3luptuw49yfz8irr/Scheef-Vollmer.jpg?rlkey=tavcp200jxkyjr6m8w85ob304&dl=0

I can read everything, but I have some questions about the dates. The margin says "Fer. Pasch II". Is that Easter Monday? The first line of the body has "d. 9 Apr, die martis". Is that 9 Apr 1799, Tuesday?

Finally, are there utilities that convert historical liturgical dates into their calendar equivalent, ideally taking into account adjustments for Gregorian vs. Julian calendars. (I am aware of historical Easter date calculators on-line, but I do not have a complete list of all the many church Sundays and their displacement from Easter, and counting out the displacement from the converted Easter date is tedious and error-prone.)

in Genealogy Help by Gus Gassmann G2G6 Mach 4 (49.6k points)
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I wish there were a way to award best answer to both David Hartley and George Fulton...

I presume both calculators linked to will give the date in the Gregorian calendar. Is it true that if one region uses the Gregorian calendar and another uses the Julian calendar, then the Easter dates in both places will coincide if both are converted to the same calendar? (It seems true, but I haven't had enough coffee yet to reason it out.)
I believe all of Western Europe - Catholic or Protestant - celebrated Easter on the same actual day, whatever it was called in the local calendar. (In England that was settled  at the Council of Whitby in 663 AD.) Orthodox Christianity can have a different day, even now.
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4 Answers

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9 April 1799 was a Tuesday. The 7th was the second Sunday after Easter, so perhaps "Fer Pasch II" refers to that in some way.

There is a useful free program called Calisto, by John Kent, which I think will do what you want. It is primarily aimed at English dates but I think most liturgical events will be the same in Catholic or formerly Catholic regions. (Click on the red 'R' on the toolbar and choose the long list.)

I can't find a current source online, but it is freeware and allowed to be distributed non-commercially, so I've put it on dropbox, here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0wq7rgb7jo3nhils36mh4/h?rlkey=dmjloj3xuk8rkv5eg8fz773ws&dl=0
by David Hartley G2G3 (3.3k points)
+12 votes

There are a lot of utilities to do this conversion. This is one https://www.iccec.org/prayerandreadings/Seasons/index.php

In 1799 Easter was in March (according to the above link). April 9, 1799 is the Tuesday after the 3rd Sunday in Easter.

Edit …

3rd Sunday “in Easter” is the second Sunday after Easter, with Easter Sunday being the first.

by George Fulton G2G6 Pilot (647k points)
+6 votes
Sundays after Easter (and Trinity Sunday) are shown as "post" Easter (and Trinity). So, 9 Apr 1799 is Tuesday, 2 post Pascha.
by David Fleer G2G3 (3.4k points)
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by Marcus Horstmann G2G4 (4.6k points)
This is the nicest, most user-friendly calendar I have yet seen. Thanks for sharing.
This is especially useful for German and Austrian records. The liturgical calendar is useful for any Catholic country.

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