Is this Profile, William Riley Cain (cain-569) going to be allowed to stand as is?

Question

William Riley [uncertain] Cain

Born 1776 in Greenbrier, Augusta, Virginia

ANCESTORS 

Son of Edmond Cain and Mary (Custer) Cain

Brother of John Cain, Daniel Cain, Catherine Cain, Edmond Cain, Arnold Cain, Elizabeth Cain and Mary (Cain) Sharp

Husband of Mary Margaret (Unknown) Garrett — married 1797 in Tennessee, United States

Father of William Riley Cain

Died after 1 Jun 1860 after age 84 in Jamestown, Russell, Kentucky, United States

*Issue 1:  The Source "Family Data Collection - Individual Records", fails to identify what it referenced to, provides no data to the researcher, and if left as is causes errors reducing the confidence in and accuracy of the Wiki Tree.  

*Issue 2:  Do "Blanket Statements" such as this and "Family Trees" meet the standard of a valid source?  II am only asking because; I thought if a Family Tree has justifiable source material, post the source material and credit the tree for providing the information would be the proper action. 

*Issue 3:  Without being able to prove the birth date, the time line of cain-569 life can not be tied down and validated this profile.  All material available in my numerous fruitless searches over the last four decades has only produced information that establishes a time line showing if Edmond Cain did have a son he would have been born about 1782 and with the Margaret married to a Garrett married again in 1815.  These two facts produce a time line that can not be bent to fit the time line produced by the 1860, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10 US Federal Census.

I Apologize for letting my emotions show because the frustrations felt from reading the responses.  With passing time and seeing no actions to resolve this issue or being given feedback on the status of the issue only elevated my demeanor.  Sorry to all. 

Comments

This was posted in the Cain Project of Family Tree DNA Jun 2020.  "Big Y should do it alright. We have known for about a decade that the Nicholas Cain descendants are R-L513, which is found along the west coast of Ireland of and Scotland. Then two members of the Nicholas Cain group tested positive for FGC46414. You can see them in the L513 section at www.ytree.net" per post from Rory Cain.  I hope this puts the Nicholas Cain Connection to sleep.  The Russell County Cains are Y Haplogroup R-FT347395.

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I was responsible for attempting to improve this profile by adding narrative and sources from FamilySearch, i.e. census records. Does the DNA result regarding the Haplogroups of the Nicholas Cain line and the Russell County, KY, Cains being different proves they are not related? Then should the Russell County census records be deleted? That would also be supported by the differences in birth place between the book and the censuses.

I agree with Issues 1 & 2. My guess is that those items were from early in the profile development and no one knew what to do with them after that. I would encourage someone like yourself, who apparently has a good understanding of them, to delete or improve them. Issue 3 needs someone to organize a collaborative project involving current and recent contributors to analyze and reason through the accumulated information and rewrite this biography with the best conclusions.

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Cain-7662 William Cain backed up by the US Federal Census dated 1860,1850,1840,1830,1820,and 1810 is not the son of Edmond Cain, nor the grandson of Nicholas Cain of Augusta Cain.  Which is what I pointed out from the start.  When I discovered the problem with the two William Cains, Cain 459 and Cain-7662.  I thought it would be simple to cut the ties from the Augusta County Cains and remove the Maiden name of Margaret and merge the two profiles.  William Cain, nor his wife's last name have any valid sources backing up what is stated in Cain-459's profile.  The major errors being Margaret has no supportted last name and William (cain-459) has no records proving his birth.   

I guess looking from my position, (1) I would delete William Riley Cain (Cain-3076) relationship of being the son from William Riley Cain (cain-7662).  (2) Freeing up Cain-3076 and Cain-9611 to be merged.  This will seperate the two families and leaving the Augusta County Cain family the least molested and allow the originator of Cain-459's family to continue their work without losing any data.  (3) This will also ease the issue of William Cain's wife's last name for both families.

Please let me know if you follow what I have explained and if you want me to make my correction give me a green light and then we can address the issues if any come up.

Answer 1

If I could have found a valid way to link William Cain of Russell County to Edmon Cain of Augusta County; I would have never had to have changed it back in the early 1990's.  But DNA changed the path, not me.  If you have found records unknown to me, I can only hope the author would post it.  Ju7st a heads up, when I played out the Augusta County Cains, you might not like where it leads....

Comments

This was posted in the Cain Project of Family Tree DNA Jun 2020.  "Big Y should do it alright. We have known for about a decade that the Nicholas Cain descendants are R-L513, which is found along the west coast of Ireland of and Scotland. Then two members of the Nicholas Cain group tested positive for FGC46414. You can see them in the L513 section at www.ytree.net" per post from Rory Cain.  I hope this puts the Nicholas Cain Connection to sleep.  The Russell County Cains are Y Haplogroup R-FT347395.

Answer 2

"Family Data Collection - Individual Records" is the name of a defunct database at Ancestry.com. Anything found there has questionable credibility and should be verified in other sources. Here is a WikiTree page with information about it:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Family_Data_Collection_-_Individual_Records

Regarding the parents: it is often the case that wrong parents are attached to profiles on WikiTree. My suggestion is to either create a freespace profile with details of your informaiton, or else add it to Edmond Cain's profile in a Research Notes section. Provide the reliable sources you have and the timeline that leads to it being impossible for him to be William's father. Then post a comment saying you plan to disconnect them based on the detailed research you have provided. 

In cases where I do this with quality information and analysis, I have never had an objection, and usually some supportive comments. Then you can go ahead and disconnect them.

Comments

I believe that was how I located the marriage record the first time.  I don't remember who, but someone had NOTED: spelling correction.  At the time I didn't even give it much thought.  I didn't know I was not going to find anything to collaborate the marriage.  Meaning, I think someone else has already made notes in Acestry about McKine and McKane spelling.

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This was posted in the Cain Project of Family Tree DNA Jun 2020.  "Big Y should do it alright. We have known for about a decade that the Nicholas Cain descendants are R-L513, which is found along the west coast of Ireland of and Scotland. Then two members of the Nicholas Cain group tested positive for FGC46414. You can see them in the L513 section at www.ytree.net" per post from Rory Cain.  I hope this puts the Nicholas Cain Connection to sleep.  The Russell County Cains are Y Haplogroup R-FT347395.

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This was posted in the Cain Project of Family Tree DNA Jun 2020.  "Big Y should do it alright. We have known for about a decade that the Nicholas Cain descendants are R-L513, which is found along the west coast of Ireland of and Scotland. Then two members of the Nicholas Cain group tested positive for FGC46414. You can see them in the L513 section at www.ytree.net" per post from Rory Cain.  I hope this puts the Nicholas Cain Connection to sleep.  The Russell County Cains are Y Haplogroup R-FT347395.

Answer 3

Edward -

I have added a few more tags to your post to reach a broader audience.  I will look at the profile and have others from the Appalachia Project look at it for the Kentucky reference.  We usually do not work a lot in Augusta, Virginia.

Since WikiTree is collaborative, might I suggest you start a Research Notes section, as Barry has suggested, that has your concerns?  Sometimes that is easier to read than long comment threads.

Comments

Thanks for your advise and I will post  a Research Note.

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This was posted in the Cain Project of Family Tree DNA Jun 2020.  "Big Y should do it alright. We have known for about a decade that the Nicholas Cain descendants are R-L513, which is found along the west coast of Ireland of and Scotland. Then two members of the Nicholas Cain group tested positive for FGC46414. You can see them in the L513 section at www.ytree.net" per post from Rory Cain.  I hope this puts the Nicholas Cain Connection to sleep.  The Russell County Cains are Y Haplogroup R-FT347395.