Comments on Nicholas Stillwell Jr.

Question

On 29 Feb 2024 Ann Browning wrote on Stillwell-18:

Nicholas is the son of William Stillwell and Jane Curtis, not Nicholas Stillwell and Alice Holmes. This is proved by the will of Thomas Curtis of Puttenham  of 1610 and Jane Stillwell’s will of 1610, she also of Puttenham. The marriage of William Stillwell and Jane Curtis  is recorded in the Puttenham register.

  I cannot find a marriage of a Nicholas Stillwell to Alice Holmes at all so I’m not sure where this info has come from. What is the source for his origin being Puttenham? Did he make a deposition? 

I propose that the parents currently attached to Nicholas Stillwell be detached as no reliable source can be found for the attached parents.

Ann 

Comments

The birth of Nicholas is also recorded in the Puttenham register, on 1 February 1605. All the other purported siblings were baptised in Dorking.

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Thanks Lois

Ann

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Numerous elements of this man's biography and genealogy (not just his parents, but also his wife, immigration and residence history, and also possibly details of his children) appear to be in dispute. The New Netherland Project has protected this profile because of the various disputes, but that does not mean that the project has any special expertise to help resolve the disputes.

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Thomas Curtis will, Nicholas is referred to in the probate statement . His mother Jane/joan in the will

Thomas's estate passed probate on 5 December 1610.<ref>

'''Probate''':

"London, England, Wills and Probate, 1507-1858"<br/>

London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts Section, Clerkenwell, London, England; Reference Number: DW/PA/5/1610<br/>

{{Ancestry Sharing|10463649|7b22746f6b656e223a22696e614a516d6479376e487447344266795a2f6a37457835736235314b466a625566764a364b36374276383d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d}} - {{Ancestry Record|1704|446566}} (accessed 1 March 2024)<br/>

Thomas Curts probate on 5 Dec 1610.

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Jane Cutis marriage to William Stillwell

First name(s) Jane

Last name Curtis

Marriage year 1605

Marriage date 28 Apr 1605

Marriage place Puttenham, St John the Baptist

Spouse's first name(s) Wyllia

Spouse's last name Stillwell

County Surrey

Country England

Archive Surrey History Centre

Archive reference PUT/1/1

Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials

Year range 1562-1754

Record set Surrey Marriages

Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Subcategory Parish Marriages

Collections from England, Great Britain

Jane Stillwell of Puttenham will

Jane's estate passed probate on 21 March 1610.<ref>

'''Probate''':

"London, England, Wills and Probate, 1507-1858"<br/>

London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts Section, Clerkenwell, London, England; Reference Number: DW/PA/5/1610<br/>

{{Ancestry Sharing|10463920|7b22746f6b656e223a226f54564a4f5a773433472b4b374c712f51686d4c63576a795046536f30536f62546335634938666c6b5a6b3d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d}} - {{Ancestry Record|1704|446651}} (accessed 1 March 2024)<br/>

Jane Stillawell probate on 21 Mar 1610.

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3 primary sources for Nicholas Stillwell of Puttenham’s parentage.

Unfortunately the sharing link doesn’t work properly on G2G

Regards,

Ann

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This source for him has a real element of fantasy to i

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalfami02hayd/page/146/mode/2up

As does this one which has many errors in it such as Mabel Stilwell being the mother of the regicide John Cooke

https://worldcat.org/digitalarchive/content/server16079.contentdm.oclc.org/DPL/p16079coll31/WPVolume1/doc_2017_473.pdf

Ann

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Translation of probate statement for Thomas Curtis from Latin thanks to Nic Donnelly

*On the fifth day of December in the Year of Our Lord 1610, before Master Thomas Ridley, Doctor of Laws, Commissary, etc., A grant of administration of the goods of the aforementioned Thomas Curtisse, deceased, who died leaving his will to this effect, that because Jane Stillwell, executrix named in the same will, died before the execution of the same testament; to William Stillwell, natural and lawful grandfather of Nicholas Stilwell, son of the said Jane, during the minority of the same Nicholas, being sworn, etc., reserving rights etc.*