Can a Pre-1500 Certified member merge Ulfsdotter_ULF-1 into Ulfsdotter-12?

+9 votes
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Seems legit. duplicate profile
WikiTree profile: Magareta Ulfsdotter ULF
in Policy and Style by William Thorpe G2G1 (1.4k points)
The Comment posted on Ulfsdotter_ULF-1 six months ago seems to indicate that the father is incorrect and that these two profiles (which do appear they should be merged) need to be disconnected from the father. Perhaps the parentage issue should be resolved at the same time as a merge so that that issue does not linger.

The Comment on Ulfsdotter-12 is:

Ulf Karlsson Ulv (Tilbakeseende Ulv) and Undknown Karlsdotter had only 2 mentioned children:

1. Ingeborg Ulfsdotter who diedbetween 1297 and 1307 - married to the knight Knut Matsson Lejonbjälke, died 1289.

2. Knight and Riksråd Philippus Ulfsson, born about 1270?) , mentioned 1296 - 1333.

Both (Margareta) ulfsdotter_ULF-1 and (Margareta) ulfsdotter-2 should therefore be removed as child of (Ulf) Karlsson-944 and his wife.

The comment on Ulfsdotter_ULF-1 reads slightly differently:

Ulf Karlsson (Vapen vingad pilspets) of the family Ulv (Tilbakeseende Ulv), who was possibly married to a daughter of Karl Ingeborgasson Lejonbalk . had only 2 mentioned children. 1. Ingeborg (Ulfsdotter) died between 1297 and 1307 - married to the Knight Knut Matsson Lejonbjälke , died 1289.

2. Knight and Riksråd Philippus Ulfsson (born ca.1270 - ), mentioned 1296 - 1333.

Margareta_ULF.1 - and (Margareta) Ulfsdotter-12 . should therefore be removed as a child of Ulf Karlsson.

4 Answers

+4 votes

Go ahead and merge:
Ulfsdotter_ULF-1|Magareta Ulfsdotter ULF (1275-1315) into
Ulfsdotter-12|Margareta Ulfsdotter (1275-1341),
LNAB: "Ulfsdotter",
first name "Margareta",
 
remove last name "Ulv/Ulf", 
remove categories "House of Ulv", "House of Bjälbo"
Born: est. 1277, loc. unknown,
Dead: bef. 1341, 
loc. unknown.
They should be merged because they are identical, and her parentage is not relevant to the merge.

by D Bruno G2G6 Mach 2 (25.6k points)
edited by D Bruno
+5 votes

Margareta is NOT part of this family "Ulvätten" and
she should be cut from these parents.
There has been a mixup between two different Ulf Karlsson who lived at the same time.

About Karlsson-944|Ulf Karlsson (ulv-ätten)(vingad pil)(abt.1247-1281), the main reference source for his family "Ulvätten" in this period is:

ÄSF 1:3 s. 299 Tab.4 / Äldre svenska frälsesläkter : ättartavlor. Bd 1. H. 3 (1989) https://libris.kb.se/bib/12874

These pages all mention 
Karlsson-944|Ulf Karlsson (ulv-ätten)(vingad pil)(abt.1247-1281), his children, and they reference ÄSF as their main source, directly or indirectly:
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulv%C3%A4tten
https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00488856&tree=LEO
https://finnholbek.dk/getperson.php?personID=I65381&tree=2
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/sbl/Presentation.aspx?id=14301&forceOrdinarySite=true
https://www.adelsvapen.com/genealogi/Tillbakaseende_ulv

by D Bruno G2G6 Mach 2 (25.6k points)
edited by D Bruno
+6 votes

Margareta's real father Ulf Karlsson (till loholm) b. abt 1253 d. bef 1291, is not on Wikitree yet, but the family is here:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:House_of_Boberg

Margareta's brother is: Riksråd [High Councillor of Sweden], Karl Ulfsson (lejon) d. Aft 1307. Not yet on Wikitree either.

The main reference source for Margareta's family in this period is:
ÄSF 1:1 / 'Boberg' in Äldre Svenska Frälsesläkter 1:1, Stockholm, 1957. https://libris.kb.se/bib/12871

These pages mention Margareta, her father and brother, and they reference ÄSF as their main source, directly or indirectly:
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudmar_Magnusson_%28Ulv%C3%A5sa%C3%A4tten%29
https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00280474&tree=LEO
https://finnholbek.dk/getperson.php?personID=I65400&tree=2
https://www.adelsvapen.com/genealogi/Ulv%C3%A5sa%C3%A4tten

See also: Nordisk familjebok / Uggleupplagan. 16. Lee - Luvua / 111-112 (1912)https://runeberg.org/nfbp/0076.html

by D Bruno G2G6 Mach 2 (25.6k points)
edited by D Bruno
+6 votes
I can replace the wrong father with the real one if l get permission to do it.
by Kari Undbekken G2G6 Mach 6 (61.9k points)
That would be great!
Do you mean permission from Lena Svensson?
https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/user/Johansson-1906
Did you already contact her about this?
But with the sources I posted, it is so obvious what is right and wrong, why not just do it anyway?
Yes, l will

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