Comments on Joan (Argentine) le Boteler

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This Joan could not have been the wife of John Botelerif they married ca 1335 when Joan's own father was only 17 (born in 1318, under a year old when father died, married while still underage, about 1332). Argentine-17 has been conflated with her father's half-sister and needs to be separated. John's brother William married Joan's sister Elizabeth before ca 1328. See pedigree from plea rolls on John's profile.

https://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Boteler-366

For good notes on these relationships, please see

https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/arg/argoutl2.shtml

Should I go ahead and make a profile for the earlier Joan and separate this one from John? And merge John with Boteler-69, whose brother William is showing as married to Joan's sister Elizabeth:?

On 6 Feb 2023 Monica Edmunds wrote on Argentine-17:

Joan wife of John Boteler (see text for John A. +1382) was his half sister, not his daughter. His daughter Joan married Bart. Naunton, and his half-sister married John Boteler. The two Joans seem to have become conflated here. See also Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls in which John Dargentein (plaintiff) in 12 E. III, names his parents as John and Agnes (de Berford) and his sister as Joan, daughter of John Dargentein and Roger Bryan and wife of John, son of Ralph le Botiller. [p. 64] There is a useful overview of the family here showing the two Joans. It is worth noting that John was born ca 1318 so he would have been only 17 when his sister Joan married John Boteler in 1335. [https://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/arg/argoutl2.shtml]

WikiTree profile: Joan Naunton
in Genealogy Help by Monica Kanellis G2G6 Mach 3 (38.7k points)
retagged by John Atkinson

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As there seem to be objections, I am going ahead with adding the earlier Joan and separating the later Joan from John Boteler.
by Monica Kanellis G2G6 Mach 3 (38.7k points)

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