Clarification on Dublin RC churches "St. Nicholas... "

Question

Hello,

I've been working my way through church records in the genealogy.ie database for surname "Egan" in the early 18th century. I have a question with which I hope someone from the Ireland project (or someone with special interest in Dublin churches) can help:

Some Roman Catholic baptism records in Dublin list "St. Nicholas Within", some "St. Nicholas Without", and still others simply "St. Nicholas". 

WikiTree has categories for the churches of St. Nicholas Within and St. Nicholas Without, and a category for the Roman Catholic parish of St. Nicholas Without. But I don't see anything for just "St. Nicholas". 

I've been using the "Dublin City, Ireland" category as the location, but also adding the appropriate church to aid in differentiation (lots of Egans with the same given names!). 

Wikipedia suggests that the "Without" may be optional - for the Church of St. Nicholas of Myra Church of St Nicholas of Myra Without, (Roman Catholic) - Wikipedia

The and Church of St. Nicholas "Within" apparently no longer exist - The parish was merged with St. Audoen in 1867, the Church used from 1707 until 1835/1847. Church of St. Nicholas Within, Dublin - Wikipedia

So here is my question (in two parts):

a) should I use the modern "St Audoen parish" as the category for records explicitly referring to "St. Nicholas Within"? (I would still use the category for the Church of St. Nicholas Within, as long as between 1707 and 1835).

b) may I assume that records referring to just "St. Nicholas" in Dublin mean the same place as "St. Nicholas Without"?

Thanks for your help!

Answer 1

I have added time parameters to 'Within' which should aid not making a mistake. a) I am not sure why records would refer to 'within' when they are for St Audoen parish but I assume yes if they are outside the timespan. Caveat however, make sure the record is not referring to the civil parish of St Nicholas Within. b) Sounds reasonable but don't quote me!

Comments

Hi David,

Thanks!

On (a) I didn't mean to suggest that the source cited both the church "St. Nicholas Within" and the St Audoen parish. The two parishes weren't merged until 1867, and I am working on records from the 1740s. There are categories for both churches. I just didn't see a category for the RC parish of St Nicholas Within (there is one for "St Nicholas Without RC Parish, Archdiocese of Dublin, County Dublin", which we have discussed on other threads). My question was, since there is no modern RC parish for St. Nicholas Within, whether I should categorize the (pre-1867) profiles with the category for St. Audoen parish, so that they appear in some parish - even though it is somewhat anachronistic.

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Ah. I see. Wait one.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:St_Nicholas_Within_RC_Parish%2C_Archdiocese_of_Dublin%2C_County_Dublin

Needs the category detail fleshing out a bity. I will work out the CIB in a mo.

Done.

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Wow! I'll take that as a "no, use the right category! (oh, and by the way, I'll just happen to create the exact one we need while you get a cup of coffee!)" Thanks a million!