Help with transcription/translation of family register records.

Question

Otto Family Register-children of  Johann Friedrich Otto ; Location: Winnenden, Waiblingen, Württemberg, Germany. Date: 22 Apr 1828.

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Answer 1

Hello,

This entry is from a family register, which seems to list entire families. I have no knowledge about the region.

Transcription:

Zahl der Kinder.

1. unehl.(iches) Kind d.(er) Hausmutter

2. unehl.(iches) Kind beider Ehegatten

Namen. / Geburt.

[Hinweise: Ich kombiniere diese Spalten mit einem "/" um anzuzeigen welches Geburtstdatum welchem Kind zugeordnet ist.]

Wilhelmina Gottliebia / g.(eboren) 22. April 1828 zu Stuttgart

--------- [eine horizontale Trennlinie]

1. [Ziffer 2. durchgestrichen] Louisa Regina Wilhelmina / g.(eboren) 13. Oct.(ober) 1829 zu Stuttgart

2. Louise Friederike + [bereits verstorben] / g.(eboren) 28. Nov.(ember) 1831

+ [Totgeburt] 3. anonymous / d. 6. May 1834

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Translation:

Number of children.

1. illegitimate child of the house mother

2. illegitimate child of both spouses

Namen. / Geburt.

[Note: I am combining these two columns with a "/" to indicate which birth date belongs to which child]

Wilhelmina Gottliebia / b.(orn) 22. April 1828 in Stuttgart

--------- (a horizontal separator)

1.  [the number 2. as a strikethrough] Louisa Regina Wilhelmina / b.(orn)13. Oct.(ober) 1829 in Stuttgart

2. Louise Friederike + [already deceased] / b.(orn) 28. Nov.(ember) 1831

+ [stillborn] 3. anonymous / on 6. May 1834

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Legend:

[Transcribers notes]

(supplements to abbreviations) 

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Interpretation:

1. Wilhelmina Gottliebia is the illegitimate child with a different father than the other children. The separating line in ink suggests that this record belongs to the first comment in column "Number of children". In addition, the record keeper has written the number "2" in front of the second child, Louisa Regina Wilhelmina - this was inside the appropriate field. He then stroke the number through and wrote the number "1" next to it (to the left side, outside of the field/box).

2. Louisa Regina Wilhelmina is an illegitimate child of the two spouses.

3. It might be possible that the other children, too, are illegitimate children of the two spouses given the layout of the listing, however, the use of the singular of the word "child" in the first column in "2. illegitimate child of both spouses" suggests that it was only one illegitimate child. I would therefore recommend looking for a marriage record between the two spouses between 13 Oct 1829 and 28 Nov 1831, and if none can be found after an exhaustive search, then this would indicate 

a) that they are all illegitimate children, and 

b) the record keeper used the singular form on accident, and realised only later that they had multiple illeg. children.

A second (and third...) pair of eyes would be useful to crititque the transcription and interpretation.

Sven

Comments

Perfectly done. Totally agree. I would understand that there were only two illegitimate children, and the marriage was between 13 Oct 1829 and 28 Nov 1831. The date of the wedding should normally appear on top of the page between or after the names of the parents.

Further down the page it is stated, that the daughter Louisa Regina Wilhelmina later had an illegitimate boy herself, named Christian Gottlob, born 20 June 1851 in Stuttgart and died there shortly after on June 23rd.

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Because Wilhelmina is the illegitimate daughter of the housemother and the father is not Johann F. Otto, she should not carry the LNAB Otto but the maiden name of the mother, which is Mergel.

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Thank you! I did not include the top part of record with additional information , such as the wedding date 15 August 1830. Thank you Gus for incorporating this part of the record in the discussion.

Answer 2

You have a second picture linked on the profile gape. This is the top half of the page, which is necessary to understand everything.

Hausvater (head of household)

Johann Friedrich Otto, born in Winnenden, 26 Jan 1806

Parents: Johannes Otto, B[ürger] u. Weingärtner - citizen of Winnenden, wine grower.

Elisabeth, nee Klöpfer

The parents are evidently still alive at the time of the entry, which would have been done some time after Joh. Friedrich Otto's marriage on 15 Aug 1830 in Stuttgart.

The wife is Catharina Friedrike/Friedrika Mörgel, born Stuttgart 5 ??? 180x (the image is clipped, and I have not located it in the Winnenden collection on Ancestry.com).

Her parents were Johann Michael Mörgel, a "Fuhrmann" (coachman or driver) in Stuttgart, and Eva Friedrika Geirin? (Geier).

The rest you know from Danny Gutknecht's answer. Just a  couple of minor corrections: Catharina's illegitimate child was named Wilhelmina Gottliebin; the clipped column at the right would probably have the date of death of Louise Friedrike, and the stillborn child was male (anonymus as opposed to anonyma).

Finally, Louisa Regina Wilhelmina had a child out of wedlock, Christian Gottlob, born in Stuttgart 2 Jun 1851, died 3 Jun 1851.