Can anybody help me with a New Zealand question?

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I have a distant 2nd great grand-aunt Rachel Murison [Murison-260] who emigrated from Scotland to New Zealand with her husband Robert Tindal [Tindal-204] and daughter Mary in 1863.  In New Zealand they had four more children that I know of, **probably** in the Christchurch area.  It seems that Robert died sometime after about 1870, but I can't find any record of his death.  Can anybody help me here with New Zealand research?

WikiTree profile: Robert Tindal
in Genealogy Help by Richard Murison G2G5 (5.5k points)
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My thanks to all who commented and assisted here.  You have all been very helpful.  What has emerged from the research to which you have pointed me is that, almost from the moment he landed in New Zealand, Robert Tindal engaged in a life of alcohol-fueled crime, mostly petty, but occasionally serious.  He was sentenced multiple times to jail sentences with hard labour.  This behaviour resulted in the estrangement from his wife, who, reportedly, was "hard-working and industrious".

It is my conclusion that he most likely ended his life as an alcoholic vagrant, and possibly died as an unknown or unrecognized person.  But it is also likely that anecdotal news of his demise will likely have reached his family.

My best guess is that his demise came in around 1878.  Up until that time his appearances before the courts had become increasingly frequent, ending up with a 3-month jail sentence on 31 Oct 1877.  Thereafter, "Robert Tindall" appears more sporadically, and I believe these are instances of a different Robert Tindall.

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If you tag the question with "New Zealand" the NZ-Project members will see the question.
by Jelena Eckstädt G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
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findagrave ID 221235096
by Chris Mckinnon G2G6 Pilot (637k points)
This cannot be right, because his wife was listed as a widow in 1908, and probably as early as 1893.
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added a few children and Ship category  Plus Research Notes added to profile (The 1916 Death and Find a Grave record are not him)
by Graeme Olney G2G6 Pilot (144k points)
edited by Graeme Olney
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I don’t think he’s the 1916 death as that Robert Tindall was English. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19161030.2.2.3 I’ll keep looking.

by Fiona McMichael G2G6 Pilot (210k points)
Agreed, not the same Robert.  I'm sure my Robert died before 1908, and probably before 1893.
If you look in Papers Past, it appears that Robert and Rachel’s marriage broke down. Search Robert Rachel Tindall. There is a Robert Tindall who commits a number of crimes in Canterbury. He may be your man. It is possible he left the country. (Look in Canterbury and NZ Police Gazettes under Magazines and Journals too. There is a description of him.)
To follow on. Sometimes women referred to themselves as widows because of social mores when their husbands disappeared even though they may not have been dead. (I’ve seen cases where someone of the same unusual name reappears after the woman has stated she was a widow.)
Daughter's marriage notice in 1898 states he was "the late" https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18980125.2.8?items_per_page=20&page=2&phrase=1&query=%22Tindall%22+AND+%28%22Robert%22+OR+%22R%22%29&snippet=true
If you want to follow the possible separation route, there are (at least) two marriages of Robert Tindall in Christchurch and surrounds 1900/5801 and 1879/1271.
Well that's really interesting.  I have no experience researching New Zealand records, so those resources will be a challenge for me!
Papers Past is quite easy to search if you use the This Exact Phrase button, and then search from 1863 to 1908. If you need some links to articles posted on the profile, just ask, and I’ll do it for you.
Yes, I've been enjoying Papers Past :)
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There appears to be no NZ BDM Death Registrations for anyone with the name spelt Tindal within the relevant time period. Two with the name spelt Tindall are Robert Adam Tindall who died in 1902 - he was only 23 years old. The other was and Robert Tindall, age 74 years in 1916.
by Clare Pierson G2G6 Mach 2 (24.7k points)

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