What is the evidence that Mary, wife of John Maxson, was a Mosher?

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For many years, the specious claim swirled around the internet that Mary was the daughter or sister of Westerly founder Hugh Mosher. Anderson's Great Migration vol. 5, page 104, explicitly rejects it: "Many secondary sources state that the wife of John Maxon was Mary Mosher, sister of Hugh Mosher who married Rebecca Maxon. No evidence has been found for this claim."

It's so old and been so debunked that I was quite surprised to see the "Mosher" LNAB on her profile here. She's currently attached to Nicholas Mosher and Lydia (Maxson) Mosher with an authoritative-sounding biography and long list of secondary and tertiary sources.

WikiTreer Dale Scott in the comments on Mary's profile did a heroic job of wading through the sources cited as "evidence" for Nicholas & Lydia as Mary's parents and he shows that literally none of them even attempt to link her to those parents—most are weary retreads of the rejected claim to Hugh as her father.

I was also surprised to see Mary attached to Nicholas given that he's PGM PPP. Over on his profile, "evidence" cited for Mary's inclusion in his list of children includes an odd research note saying "see Stephen Mosher" linked to an odd profile page for a person with a "may never have existed" flag on it, consisting of a mountain of research notes that might be better suited for a free-space page—and on which Mary isn't mentioned at all. The statement on Nicholas' profile that "Evidence showing Nicholas in Rhode Island includes the birth of his daughter Mary in Portsmouth, Rhode Island in 1640/1" is footnoted with a reference to Austin's Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island and a link to its page on archive.org that says no such thing! (So there may be problem with the "evidence" for Nicholas' presence in Rhode Island. He isn't in Great Migration Directory.) WikiTreer Dale has posted an astute comment there as well. Responses to his comment include a pointer to another odd research-notes-as-possibly-nonexistent-person profile for Ezekiel Mosher which, again, contains no mention of Mary.

Finally, there are citations to 1990 research by Chamberlain-Clarenbach relating to Nicholas. Only the 1980 edition of their book is available on archive.org and it doesn't mention him at all. The quoted exerpt from 1990 on Mary's and Nicholas' profiles has one tidbit that might be an argument relating to Mary: John Maxson was excused from jury duty in 1677 because his wife and mother-in-law were ill, which must mean, at least, that John's mother-in-law was then living in New England. The authors link this to a 1680 church membership for a Lydia Mosher, claiming that she was the mother-in-law in question. Literally the only thing the church record provides is her name, not even her age. It's asserted that because she was listed directly above Rebecca (Maxson) Mosher, this indicates she was Rebecca's mother-in-law and Hugh's mother. But it tells us nothing about John's mother-in-law or Mary's mother. The same excerpt describes "Hugh’s sister Mary" without any other support. Is there more evidence in Chamberlain-Clarenbach 1990 for Mary that isn't excerpted? Or is that all there is?

Between the five profiles (Mary, Nicholas, "Stephen," "Ezekiel," and Lydia) there are thousands of words and none of those words amounts to any evidence, or even any serious circumstantial argument, for any origin or parentage or surname for Mary. Elsewhere on G2G, there are a lot of circumstantial arguments that you'll see me saying I find possible or plausible, just unproven. This isn't even that.

Anderson has Mary (__) Maxson's origins and parentage as unknown. Anderson even knew about Chamberlain-Clarenbach 1990, because he cites it elsewhere (Hugh Mosher of Casco Bay, GMB 1303-4), which means he didn't think it contained any evidence for Mary. Unless there's something newer that Dale and I are both overlooking, I think Mary should be Unknown, detached, and probably PPP.

Thoughts?

WikiTree profile: Mary Maxson
in Genealogy Help by Cheryl Hammond G2G6 Mach 3 (34.3k points)

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Hi Cheryl, We have two PGM profiles in the mix here...the fathers: Nicholas Mosher and Richard Maxson.  Nicholas Mosher is what we're now calling "Other Head of Household" (i.e. not identified by Anderson as arriving by 1640).  That means unfortunately we don't have either a sketch or a Directory entry to look at for sources.  But we do have the sketch for Richard Maxson...which as you point out clearly states there is no evidence to support the relationship.

There are several profiles that would need to be cleaned up.  If nothing new comes to light from this g2g, you are welcome (and encouraged) to make the revisions, just post a comment on the profiles to give people a heads up that you're going to be updating them to align to PGM standards.  PGM can remove the connection and make the LNAB change (if the other profile managers don't).

We haven't interacted much, but I see that you are in fact a PGM member.  It's been nice to see your recent contributions.

As far as PPP for Mary, that would fall under the Rhode Island Project, I believe.  (And another relevant page that should probably be fixed: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:First_Families_of_Westerly_Rhode_Island )
by M Cole G2G6 Mach 9 (90.7k points)
selected by Cheryl Hammond
Hi M,

FYI, I also have a FSP for the SDB here:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Seventh_Day_Baptist

There's going to be some overlap in subject matter, of course.
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They are my 8th great grandparents and other than books written by various people, there has been no other evidence to support her last name. There is one source, "New England, The Great Migration and The Great Migration Begins, 1620-1635" that sites John Maxson and his wife, Mary _____.  (does not use Mosher)

So I agree with it being changed to UNKNOWN with PPP until a reliable source is found.
by Shonda Feather G2G6 Pilot (414k points)

Thank you, Susan! heart

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Hi Cheryl,

I have a tendency to think that many people here are afraid of "negative evidence". I see so many times where people profiles are attached to other profiles because somebody, somewhere thought that they "might be" related. When negative evidence is presented, people get afraid of removing the connection because they somehow think that just because it is written down somewhere (even on the internet) then it "might be true", and so they try to "give the benefit of the doubt".

Nothing could be so harmful in genealogy. If there is clear proof that a connection does NOT exist, then we should be confident and bold in removing the connection. The trick is making sure to document the situation and the reasons why so further people do not commit the same mistake again.

Having said all that, I encourage you to make the needed changes instead of asking why the current situation exists. There is likely no reason why it is exists the way it is and if it is debunked, then let's get it fixed. If there is an issue because of a PPP profile, then reach out to the profile manager to get help.
by Eric Weddington G2G6 Pilot (521k points)
Eric, I agree whole-heartedly with your thoughts about "negative evidence."  

I did want to put in a word in favor of Cheryl's approach posting on g2g about the situation. In the PGM Project we encourage our members (and anyone) wanting to make that will remove a family from someone's pedigree (in this case removing the Mosher family) to post on g2g.  17th-century ancestors have a lot of descendants, and not everyone is on the TL for all their ancestors, or checking changes to their ancestor feeds regularly.  Posting in g2g gives a better chance of reaching out to those who might not receive an email notification from a profile comment.
Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation!

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