Is this the same person or not?

Question

I've found the birth record of the wife of one of my Great uncles, in which her parents are cited as Jean Marie Blaise and Francine Yvonne Maria Le Scornet. I've found the mother in the "Index des décès enregistrés par l'Insee" and all the dates and the name seem to match. At this point, I thought I just needed her birth record, but the marriages recorded on there do not mention a Blaise at all. Is it possible there's two Francine Yvonne Marie Le Scornet out there?

I've included the birth record because it's unfortunately behind a paywall and i can't link it.

Answer 1

FYI, all civil records are freely accesible without paywalls, either on Archives départementales websites, or for some bigger cities like here, city's websites.

Francine's birth certificate: https://archives.mairie-brest.fr/4DCGI/WEB_RegistreVisuImgAppelExterne/36404_1E224/ILUMP9999

Mentions marginales (those things added in the margins about marriages, death etc.) are a great thing but sadly they're not always exhaustive (especially for a marriage as early as c. 1920), so just because Jean Marie Blaise is not mentioned there doesn't mean she never married him.

You didn't grab the correct permalink for the daughter either (not blaming you, I had to search for the button for a while... that website is not very user-friendly); here it is: https://archives-en-ligne.ille-et-vilaine.fr/thot_internet/ark:/49933/tht3r2283wd3/747365/12

I'm trying to see what I can find on the father and potentially his marriage to Francine (they didn't marry in Brest apparently and that was my first instinct)

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... I feel a bit stupid. I know how to navigate archives but for some reason after I got the certificate from another Wikitreer I didn't think to go search for the original.

The permalink is my fault tho, I'm always at war with those menaces. Thank you for your help!!

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Here is Jean-Marie's birth certificate: https://recherche.archives.finistere.fr/viewer/series/medias/collections/E/03E/3E332/3E332_0022?s=FRAD029_3E332_0022_00N_1882_001.jpg&e=FRAD029_3E332_0022_00N_1882_020.jpg&img=FRAD029_3E332_0022_00N_1882_015.jpg

And the marriage: https://recherche.archives.finistere.fr/viewer/series/medias/collections/E/03E/3E332/3E332_0048?s=FRAD029_3E332_0048_00M_1919_001.jpg&e=FRAD029_3E332_0048_00M_1919_028.jpg&img=FRAD029_3E332_0048_00M_1919_003.jpg

You have the correct Mlle Le Scornet!

Please let me know if you need any help reading/translating the documents

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Here's another interesting source for Jean-Marie, his military record: https://recherche.archives.finistere.fr/viewer/series/medias/collections/R/01R/1R01285?s=FRAD029_1R_01285_0001.jpg&e=FRAD029_1R_01285_0652.jpg&img=FRAD029_1R_01285_0636.jpg (see also the next page)

He fought in WWI, was captured on December 17th, 1914 and spent four years in a Prisonner Camp in Wetzlar, Germany

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Note a very strange bug (or feature) of the links in the Archives of Finistère. If you click on them, they won't get you the right page, but the home page of the search engine of the archives. You have to copy the link and paste it in the address bar of your brower. Then it works.

The technical team of the archives web site is aware of this bug of course, but it's so for months (maybe one year, I can't remember exactly) and apparently they don't know how to fix it. I don't even understand myself how such a thing is possible (just flying in the face of my basic understanding of the http protocol, but apparently devil is in the details)

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Thank you so much for all this info, i'm gonna go into a research rabbit hole tomorrow :)

Answer 2

I find that unlikely, I get 3 "perfect" matches when searching for her name om myheritage, and its this birth, the death  certificate and a census from 1906.

There is both (siblings) Jean Marie Blaise (1882) and Jean Blaise (1877), and a more recent Jean Marie Blaise in 1911. All from Finistère, Bretagne, France it seems to me.

I am complete noob when it comes to France and french and anything though, so... :)

But why would the husband be mentioned on the birth certificate? Or am I misunderstanding?

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Jean Marie Blaise is probably the one i'm looking for, he was born in 1882 according to her daughter birth record. Can you perhaps share his birth record with me?

I'm not the best at french records either, but i'm slowly learning how to navigate their archives.

If you look at the source, on the left you can read "mariée à etc etc", which means she married (two times, but not with a Blaise!) and then also where and when she died. French records tend to put all the info of a person in their birth certificate, if they can (which is very handy, if you ask me).

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I'm looking at all this with a fresh eye, sorry to arrive late.

It's not unfrequent to have only a part of the marriages in the margin mentions. It depends if the place where the marriage takes place is sending back the information to the birth place.

In this case, it seems indeed that Francine married three times, the first one around 20 with Jean Marie Blaise, who was almost 20 years older than her. Their daughter Denise is born in Pipriac, I'll have a look at the census of that place to see if it gives the birth place of Jean Marie Blaise.

She is 41 at her second marriage with Emile Imbert, and 61 at her third marriage in 1961 ... in Switzerland.

Quite amazing ...

BTW I just added the parents of Francine based on their marriage record at Lambézellec. That was easy, and in my zone of comfort (most people born around Brest in my maternal line).

[edited : just read Léa's contributions below ... ]

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Woah, she had a very busy life!! Good for her, honestly.

Thank you for your contribution, even if Léa beat you to it ahaha

Answer 3

There are “dit” names for Blais/Blaise. While these were common in New France (Canada) their use precedes immigration. Did Jean Marie Blaise perhaps use an alternate last name is some records?

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I did not known about this custom!! That's really interesting. But also "blaise" seems like a little of a mean name to call someone (it may mean "stutterer"), I hope that's not the case ahahahah

I do not know of any alternative names, unfortunately, but doesn't mean the family did not use one.

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Some dit names for Blais, at least those used in New France, were Belair, Bienvenue, Blais, Lajeunesse, Lavigne and Lefebvre. Descendants sometimes used the name and sometimes used the dit name.

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Nope that doesn't happen in France.