Welsh Surnames - When did surnames become hereditary rather than Patronymic

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I have tried the search engine but didn't get anywhere just that the gentry used hereditary surnames earlier than the 'commoners' and welsh speaking communities.

I am asking due to researching a family Surname George and came across a baptism for a possible match but her Father was George Davies NOT David (Dafydd) George this was 1806.
in The Tree House by Heather Jenkinson G2G6 Pilot (129k points)

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This map shows when the prevalence of patronymic naming dropped to 10% (from a study by John and Sheila Rowlands based on wills). In short, yes, 1806 is possible for patronymic naming over a large swath of Wales.

by Anonymous Jones G2G6 Mach 1 (16.8k points)
wow that some big differences 1850 in Angelsey!

Very interesting map. I saved it to my research folder. Thank you. Wikipedia has a brief but interesting history of Welsh patronymic surnames at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_surnames

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I remember hearing something about this. It was that one of the factors regarding changing from patronymics to a common surname was how close to the border with England the family was from. Those living near the border tending to give up patronymics early than those further from the border
by Betty-Lu Burton G2G6 (6.5k points)
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Sorry, there is no straight forward answer to this. Anglican Church registers sometimes wrote an anglicised name in the register when the family would have continued to use the patronymic name. There are fervent Welsh nationalists who choose to be known by their patronymic today. Yes, the ap Hyw became Pugh, the ap Rytherch became Prytherch, or even Protheroe; but the biggest change was the pluralisation of the possessive case. Efan’s became Evans, Robert’s became Roberts, John’s became Jones, Hyw’s became Hughes. These were people aspiring to get the benefits of anglicisation.

Even in my youth, there were nicknames. Albi Du was the coalman. Roughly translated as Black Albert. In ancient times his son Dafydd would have been Dafydd ap Albi Du to distinguish him from other Dafydd ap Albi.

Not a very helpful answer but I hope informative.

Steve
by Steve Bartlett G2G6 Mach 7 (78.4k points)
I sort of thought that lol I am wondering if the Census might show there hereditary surname BUT parish records that often showed the Grandparents too. (they were on familysearch years ago when I was helping a friend) were Patronymic.

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