Sources for Orphan Profile Gregory-129

Question

I am having difficulties finding reliable sources for Gregory-129, especially for the wives mentioned on the profile - Elizabeth Brightman and Elizabeth Barstow. Any help much appreciated.

Answer 1

Elizabeth Brightman appears as a wife of John Gregory in a pedigree given in the book "Ancestors and Descendants of Henry Gregory" https://archive.org/details/ancestorsdescend00greg/page/n61/mode/2up which is probably the origin of the profile. Whether it is sourced, or the same John Gregory, I don't know. Lots of sources for the Gregorys on archives hub  https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/data/gb3454-gre/gre/2/7   Elizabeth Bairstow of Ovenden, Halifax, is very unlikely as a wife of John Gregory of Nottingham - as you have noted on her profile, there are several more likely marriages locally.  Elizabeth's baptism is actually 13 January 1548/1549.   https://archive.org/details/parishregisterof37hali/page/56/mode/2up

Comments

In that pedigree Elizabeth Brightman is the wife of John Alton (d.1629), with son George Alton (d.1620), and granddaughter Elizabeth Alton (age 62 in 1673) who married John Gregory.

There is an unsourced statement on that Elizabeth Brightman's profile that "John and Elizabeth did not have a daughter Alice, who married John Gregory, father of the immigrant Henry Gregory. they were instead contemporaries of John. "

There are enough similar names here to suggest the profile(s) in the question may have been confused with this well-documented Nottingham Gregory family.

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Thank you Lynn, very helpful. I am  not sure how to make this the best answer!!

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Yes, Andrew, I have looked at the pedigree tree and it has few dates. I have used a highlighter to sort out the lines and make it clearer. The abbreviations do not help and what is the language  - Medaeval English? Latin? French? I can see elements of all three. Johannes Gregory de Alicia (from/of Alicia a place not a wife) with no dates or wife, father of Willielm Gregory, father of John Gregorie de Nottingham. (Gen ob 1654?) who married Elizabeth (fil.& cohaer ....1675?)

In the same generation as Johannes Gregory de Alicia is John Alton de Nottingham (medicus ob 1629 - physician for ? 1629) who married Elizabeth Brightman. Their son George Alton (ob. 1620???)  Translations? Interpretations?

From what you have answered it certainly seems that there is a mix up of names, places and possibly generations in the profile in question. Thanks.

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The pedigree is in an odd mixture of Latin and English with lots of abbreviations. The version in the Gregory book is clearer than the one it is based on in Thoroton's Nottinghamshire, which is shown on George Alton's profile, where the signs for marriages are tiny dashes.

Both say the same: Johan.Gregory de Broughton Sulney (John Gregory of Broughton Sulney) married Alicia (Alice). They were the parents of Will. Gregory ald. de Nott Ob.1650 (William Gregory alderman of Nottingham died 1650), who married Ann fil. Adae Jackson (Ann daughter of Adam Jackson). Their son was Joh. Gregorie de Nott. Gen. ob. 1654 (John Gregorie of Nottingham, gentleman, died 1654).

John. Alton de Nott. medicus ob. 1629 (John Alton of Nottingham, physician, died 1629) married Eliz. fil … Brightman (Elizabeth daughter of … Brightman). They were parents of Geo Alton ob. 1620 (George Alton died 1620), who married Maria fil and cohaer (Mary daughter and co-heiress [of John Kyme]), parents of Eliz. fil & cohaer aet 62, 1675 (Elizabeth daughter and co-heiress, aged 62 in 1675). Elizabeth married John Gregorie above.

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Very helpful, Andrew! Great to have the modern English version! All clear now.

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I guess you are looking at this https://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Gregory_The_English_Pedigree-5 There is a tiny hyphen between de and Alicia, indicating a marriage.

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Thank you! Barely visible on the printout! All clear to me now.

Answer 2

To be honest there are no real sources for him or for daughter Alice so he could have been from anywhere.

Nothing much to go on at all.

Ann