Queen Victoria

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Dal mio mtdna test fatto con IGENEA risulta che sono imparentata con Queen Victoria d'inghilterra. Ma non viene specificato se su HVR1 o HVR2. Come posso confermare a questo punto il nostro dna?
WikiTree profile: Victoria Hanover
in Genealogy Help by Марина Жубрик G2G2 (2.0k points)
retagged by Maggie N.

Google Translate from Italian to English:  From my mtdna test done with IGENEA it appears that I am related to Queen Victoria of England. But it is not specified whether on HVR1 or HVR2. How can I confirm our DNA at this point?

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The late Prince Philip was a matrilineal descendant of Queen Victoria and apparently has mitochondrial DNA kit # Z10699 at MitoYDNA.org. How does yours compare?

by Matthew Sullivan G2G6 Pilot (156k points)
selected by Марина Жубрик
I compared my mitoydna T15491 and Z10699. This is result HVR1 4, HVR2  2, CR 10. Wee are very distant?

When considering the entire mitogenome (HVR1, HVR2, and the Coding Region), Family Tree DNA places the cutoff for "matching" at a combined genetic distance of 3. So if there are more than 3 differences found (excluding a couple of very common mutations) FTDNA will not list people as being possibly genealogically related.

But even that is considered by many researchers to be way too optimistic. An important paper by Mikkel Andersen and David Balding in 2018 (https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pgen.1007774) determined that mutation rates for the entire mitogenome ranged up to 1 change per 70 generations. More detailed information in the same paper used the Översti method for a non-endogamous population and arrived at an approximate 87% chance of an exact full-sequence mtDNA match every 190 birth events.

If we assume the average female generational interval to be 22 years, even the 1 in 70 generations number places us back to around AD 480, so before the common genealogical timeframe. My personal opinion is that FTDNA is allowing an over-generous report of "matching" at genetic distances of 3. There are both marketing and scientific reasons they would do that, but I certainly agree that any separation of two tests by more than 3 differences indicates no common ancestor in a genealogical timeframe. At that point the common ancestor may already be over 4,000 years distant.

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Here is your comparison with Princess Alix (Hesse-Darmstadt) aka Alexandra Feodorovna, the maternal granddaughter of Queen Victoria:

https://www.mitoydna.org/public/mtCompare?MtyID=T15491%2CZ10396

You have 7 differences on HVR1&2 and 5 Coding Region differences.  You share a direct maternal line ancestor who belonged to the H1 haplogroup and the first woman who was H1 lived roughly 9,300 years ago http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html?snp=H1&mt&tab=snps

Prince Philip’s mtDNA was only compared to the CRS.  Alexandra Feodorovna’s mtDNA was compared to the rCRS (i.e. the revised CRS).

by Peter Roberts G2G6 Pilot (709k points)
edited by Peter Roberts

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