profile is a mess of errors help.

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Roach-1311 . Is a mess Son is married to his mother. Others occupy the wrong relationships. And the mess involves other profiles as duplicates with people in the wrong place. Because of my MS I have problems with keeping this kind of thing straight. Just wanted to point it out in case someone might feel like taking it on. Thanks
WikiTree profile: Mary Payton
in Genealogy Help by Anonymous Roach G2G6 Pilot (200k points)
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Last name: Roach

There are some thirty spellings of this surname ranging from Roach (English), Rocke and Roc (French) Roca and Rocca (Italian), De Reorck (Dutch & Flemish), this interesting is topographical. It derives from the French word roche, and describes somebody who lived by a rocky crag or "les Roches", a place in Normandy. From this origin it became widespread in England and Ireland after the Norman invasion in the later 11th Century. In the modern idiom the surname has several variant spellings including Roach, Roache, and Roch(e). It became a completely Hibernized name, widespread in Munster and Wexford, where the original Roche settlers in Ireland were located. The placename Rochestown occurs frequently in Wexford, Cork and Kilkenny (Ireland). There is also evidence of the predominance of a powerful family of Roches in Fermoy, County Cork, where a large tract of land is known as "Roches county". Early recordings of the name in England include a Lucas de Roches entered in Hampshire in 1249 and a Ralph de la Roche in the Pipe Rolls of Cornwall in 1195. William Roache is recorded as a small landowner in the new world of Barbados, in the West Indies, circa 1678 - 1680. Father Philip Roche died for his prominent part in the 1798 Rebellion in Ireland, as did one Edward Roche. Sir Boyle Roche (1743 - 1807) was famous for his wit and "bulls". John Roach (flourised 1794) was a bookseller and compiler who kept a shop in Drury Lane, London. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of John de Roches, which was dated 1086, in the Domesday Book (Bedfordshire), during the reign of King William, known as "The Conqueror", 1066 - 1087. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

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Wow Frank ,, thank you.  I've known my Roaches started out in Ireland but had no clue where to look.

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Here is a location for the 14 Aug 1785 marriage. Also, the father's middle name and first name seem to be at variance with that in the WikiTree profile of Mary Payton. 
 
Mary Roach
mentioned in the record of Daniel Payton and Mary Roach
Name: Daniel Payton
Spouse's Name: Mary Roach
Event Date: 24 Aug 1785
Event Place: Amherst County, Virginia
Father's Name: Philipe Payton
Spouse's Father's Name: Arth. Craft Roach
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M86847-0 , System Origin: Virginia-EASy , GS Film number: 30273 , Reference ID: P 24
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"Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XR77-SBH : accessed 24 May 2015), Daniel Payton and Mary Roach, 24 Aug 1785; citing Amherst County, Virginia, reference P 24; FHL microfilm 30,273.
by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.6m points)
Thank You Frank.
Trudy:  I connect with your Roach family to Ashcraft Roach.  I have the

family history of this Roach family, Ancestors and descendantss of

Charles Lewis Roach given to me by my  great aunt Thula Roach

Baker  entitled Roach Family by Mary Roach  Holland of Plainview

 Texas, a descendant of Charles Lewis Roach.  She asked for the help

of John Frederick Dorman of Washington, DC in January 1958 to

document her history and that documentation is sited in his 5 page

analysis.  During the last 25 years, I have found all the facts stated

as being true.  My great aunt knew most of the people in this history

as her family was big on genealogy and introduced her to family at a

young and and she died at the age of 99.
Thank you Judy.  Feel free to edit any Roach profiles I may manage.  I think I let alot of them go.  I am having some eye trouble and won't be doing anything for awhile. It is nice to find a Roach relative.  I'm not connected to anyone on wikitree thru my Grand father Charles Warren Roach Sr. His wife Bertie Hunnicutt connects me to half the world. I have Bakers on my mum's side.
Trudy:  According to Public Service Claims, Amherst County VA court booklet, p 14 Virginia State Library on October 29, 1781 Ashcraft Roach was given a certificate to enable him to obtain from the government  (lb symbol) 2.1.8 for 250 lbs of beef furnished to the Army.  His descendants can join the DAR on this service.  

Ashcraft Roach was a widower a second time by 1810 .  The 1810 census shows him living alone in Amherst County with five slaves. Living on adjoining property was his sons George Roach and William Roach.  

Ashcraft Roach did not leave a will.  His real estate was divided among his heirs according to an order of the Amherst County Court in February 1815.  Amherst County, VA Will book 5 pp 631-632..

1. to  Richd.Burks, son of David, lot  77 1/2 acres. Also tract 56 acres in  Bedford County.

2. to Cornelius Roach, mansion house, 52 acres.

3 to George Roach, 60 acres at Lawson Old Mill.  Also island in James River of 12 acres.

4.  to Benjamin Kelly 75 acres.

5 to Henry Roach, 87 3/4 acres, the Pond Lot

6. to John Roach's heirs, 60 1/4 acres, the Mill Field.

7. to Charles Roach, 108 1/2 acres, Tooley's Field.

8.  to Daniel Peyton, 100 acres, Louisa's Place.

9. To Wm. Roach, land he lives on being same his father laid off to him in his lifetime, 148 acres.

From this it appears that Ashcraft Roach had sons, Cornelius, George, Henry, John, Charles and William and that his daughters married Richard Burks, Benjamin Kelley and Daniel Peyton.  The marriages of his son Henry and of several other children are preserved in the Amherst County records:

William Roach, bachelor, and Obedience Burks, spinster, 20 October 1793.  David Burks, Jr. surety. Consent of her father, David Burks. Certificate of marriage by Rev. William Dameron, 20 October 1793.

William Montgomery Sweeny, Marriage Bonds and Other Marriage records of Amherst County, Virginia, 1763-1800 (Lynchburg, VA: 1937 pg. 65.

Richard Burks and Elizabeth Roach, 30 December 1797.  Ransome Gatewood, surety.  Consent of her father Ashcraft Roach (Ibid pg  13)

Daniel Peyton and Mary Roach, 24 August 1785. William Gillespie, surety.  Consent of his father, Philip Peyton, who states Daniel is of age.  Consent of her father Ashcraft Roach. (ibid pg 61)

Daniel Peyton (or Payton) and Nancy Roch (Roach, spinster, 4 August 1784.  * Philip Thurmond, surety.  Consent of his father, Philip Payton. Consent of her father, Ashcraft Roach. (ibid pg 61)

*this may be incorrect as it apprears Daniel Peyton first married Nancy Roach in 4 August 1784 and he also married Mary Roach the following, year , 24 August 1785. No mention is made about the death of Nancy Roch before marriage to Mary Roach.  Further research is required)

 

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Hi Judy thank you so much have you contacted the manager of Ashcraft  Roach and Mary Payton. Or they are both open profiles if you'd like to edit them.  I think the info is wonderful.  I'm not feeling well and don't know how long I till I better.  Right now I'm fostering a kitten that has to be bottle fed every two hours and on top of being ill I'm exhausted. So doing anything that requires a mind that functions is out a the realm of possible. Thanks some much Judy.
No I haven't.  I dont think I even know how to.  I only joined WiKi last week and I am so exacted to find you and get my surname page corrected that I can hardly stand it.  my next note to you will be about Henry Roach, son of Ashcraft.
Well Judy welcome to wikitree.  It can be difficult at first.   DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED.   You will most likely make a mistake or two.  Move on.  To contact another manager .. on the profile mage you can post a message on the bulletin board section.  I like to give the manager about a week to get back to me.  Or you can send a private message.  The link will be right under the list of family members and dates.   Robin Lee has offered to help us with this Robin is a sweet heart and great help. If you need help ask her.  Or come here to this forum.  Always feel free to ask for help.  There are tremendous people here. Any profile I manage you may add what you please.  I will add you to any of my profiles as manager if you wish.  There are some confessing issues with some profiles.  I am not familiar with the history of the early Roach Family.  But I am familiar with profile issues.  Again I am very glad to have you. Welcome cousin.  I also have some Bakers on mum's side.
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Hey Trudy,   Let me take a look at see if I can help.   And Judy....I may contact you for detail.   What I will try to do is straighten out the relationships....then the two of you can work on filling out the details.

Sound good?
by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (875k points)
Hey Robin ,  I can do that.  Judy seems to have very good info. I've left the Roach's alone for my own reasons.  I'm more than happy for a helpful relative.  I'm not profile manager on some of them any more.  There is and issue with Catherine Vanderpool up line. There is quite a bet about her in Shawn records and she has a profile under Catherine Unknown but there is a disputed ancestry and my research is in storage.
Take a look....it was a couple of quick relationship fixes...

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