TRYING TO LOCATE MY COAT OF ARMS

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Help me find my coat of arms and family crest please.

Hans Trainer of Regensberg the emporer in 1505 with his two nephews Achaz and Wolf "Tainer" and the entire trainer family were ennobled by emperor Maximillia
in Genealogy Help by David Trainer G2G Rookie (250 points)
recategorized by Ellen Smith

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Hi David,

First of all (also in response to some other coments here) some words about coat of arms in Germany. In historic times coat of armes were granted by high autoritys (kings or the emperor) to specific people that earned it. It then became inheritable through the direct male line and always was linked to the family name. Daughters could use it, but not pass it along. People with only the same family name that are not connected through direct male line with the recipient are not allowed to use it. So if you can build a sourced connection to one of the recipients (in this case three persons) you are free to go, otherwise you can do it as well but it wouldn'd be "legitimate".

Now to your special case. The Trainer family in Regensburg was a rich merchant family with a lot of influence. Wolf Trainer was the secretary of emperor Maximilian, I think. So it is not surprising that he, his brother Achatz and his uncle Johann (Hans) got promoted to nobility and granted with a coat of arms. The family later spread to other trading cities as Nürnberg, Augsburg and Freiberg in Saxony. Their coat of armes was a Wolf in a white jacket standing to the right with open mouth on a red shield. The heraldic blanket also was red and white. 

You can find a picture in the "Siebmacher" heraldic book from 1769 under the families of Nürnberg. The same coat of armes was used by the familiy branch in Freiberg, Saxony where the descandants of Johann Trainer lived as "Silberbrenner" (refiner of silver), high ranked officials under the Elector of Saxony, who were responsible for guaranteeing the purity of the silver that came from the mines and got minted into coins. This branch belongs to my own ancestry by the way, though not in direct male line. Here is a link to the "Siebmacher".

Trainer coat of armes (Nürnberg)

Hope it helps and answers your question. What I do not know for sure is the meaning of the Wolf in the white jacket. Of course the Wolf surely refers to the name of the main recipient Wolf Trainer (short for Wolfgang), but the white jacket will always be a mystery ;)

by Danny Gutknecht G2G6 Mach 9 (91.3k points)
selected by I. Caruso
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Coat of arms are specific to an individual, not a family, so while you may find one for an ancestor, it is not transferrable.
by Jonathan Crawford G2G6 Pilot (286k points)
Actually, it *was* transferable in certain countries.  Please see my answer for details.
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A coat of arms, while initially given to an individual, then became his legal property and could be inherited - not just by sons, but by wives and daughters too.

However, inherited coats of arms had to have what is known as a 'difference' or 'cadency' i.e. some sort of modification to show that the new holder was not the original grantee.

This is how it is (and was) in England.  Other countries may differ.
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (2.0m points)
wow I always thought the original was inherit by the eldest son on the death of his Father and the others siblings had to make minor adjustments.
There could only be one 'undifferenced' coat of arms at a time.  So, for a made-up example:

John Smith is granted a coat of arms.  While he is still living, everybody else (wife, sons, daughters) can also use the coat of arms but must be differenced.
John Smith dies.  He transfers his coat of arms to his son, Jonathan Smith.
Now, Jonathan Smith can bear the original undifferenced coat of arms, but his wife, mother, siblings can only bear it if differenced.
Not quite correct for female users. A daughter had courtesy use of her father's arms. A wife had courtesy use of her husband's arms, and if the wife had a father who was also armigerous, she had courtesy use of both as "impaled" arms (a shield with her husband's arms on the left and her father's on the right). No differencing was required for female users as the arms weren't "theirs".

The younger sons (the non-heirs) had to difference their arms.
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That was over 500 years ago.  Are you certain that the armorial right passed all of the way down to you?
by Living Emmons G2G6 Pilot (179k points)

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