Sticker Creation for Māori of New Zealand

Question

Hello Team, 

Can we have a Sticker created for the Māori from Aotearoa, with an optional sticker parameter for Iwi if known?

Example: ... ... ... is a Māori from Aotearoa and part of the Ngāpuhi Iwi

The appropriate icon is still being decided, feel free to share opinions below

Also while we are on this topic, a Māori Ancestor Sticker for WikiTree Members would also be great.

Comments

Would the Heritage Sticker work for WikiTree members?

• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Heritage_Sticker

I take it the "lived in New Zealand" sticker doesn't work for the Māori?

• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:New_Zealand_Sticker

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Wanting to create a Sub-Project for Māori of New Zealand, which will be similar to the Indigenous Australians Project, correct the New Zealand Sticker doesn't work. This Sticker will highlight that they are in fact Māori with different naming conventions etc.

Appalachia Project and Native Americans have stickers, I guess United States Sticker doesn't work for them, and the same with indigenous Hawaiians and Australians.

Answer 1

Hi! The new sticker is live:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Maori_Sticker

Cheers, Liz

Comments

Thanks, Liz.

Answer 2

Good idea. How would you handle multiple iwi?

Comments

Very similar to the Native American Sticker, they have an optional Tribe section, which is perfect for Iwi.

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ok, so... patterned after the Native American Sticker - which has an "is/was" option (living=yes for "is", "was" as default) & also pulls just the "Preferred Name" from the name fields (most stickers pull full name). Would those be good for the Maori Sticker? And would that be a good name for the sticker? I would not recommend the accented Māori for the sticker's name, but the text will be accented:

... was a Māori from Aotearoa and part of the Ngāpuhi Iwi.

You said optional for the Iwi parameter. Would location be a required parameter? If not, ok for New Zealand to be default text?

... was a Māori from New Zealand.

(Hmm. That sounds off. Would just "... was a Māori." be better?)

Are there a limited number of locations and Iwis? If so, would it be advantageous to have them hardwired into the sticker (e.g., only those locations and Iwis will change the text, otherwise, default ... or an error notice if a required parameter).

Would you want the sticker to add the person to a category?

I'll start a sandbox version. Let me know when you upload the image (images?) that you want it to display.

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Liz, after looking at the Native Americans sticker, I think that is an excellent template. The result would be ….was Māori (not a Māori). Or just …..was Ngāpuhi. What do others think?

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ah. Aotearoa = New Zealand in Maori. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Sandbox_Liz4

For Sticker creation, you need three people to post that they would use it on a profile they manage. Templates Project also needs to approve it.

Cheers, Liz

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I see the Native American template uses optional nations as well as tribes, what happens when someone uses both, do they both show on the sticker? The examples didn't demonstrate this clearly from my position. I think I understand nations and tribes to essentially be interchangeable in intent?

With the Māori sticker would we want to include options for both iwi, hapū {sub-tribe} or possibly even go as far as marae? There are easily 100 hapū within Ngāpuhi alone, that could easily turn into a bit of work ensuring all hapū categories exist. Auē {Alas}, we don't even have all iwi with categories yet and some need desperate "de-Anglicisation".

Also will using the tohutō {Macron, the vowel accent} cause a problem with the sticker or were you thinking it would be better without to catch more use? I'm torn between it being used without as since written Māori came about only a few iwi did not follow the use of the tohutō, most prominent is Tainui who choose to double vowel instead. It's common and respectful to use the language in the way the iwi in the area so, such was my struggle learning the wha being closer to "wah" I was raised with us more like "fa" nearly everywhere else! In a perfect world the sticker name would be Māori for all iwi except for Tainui who get the Maaori sticker and the other iwi get a Maori sticker. But if it's purely that the tohutō breaks things I can get behind it being just Maori a lot easier.

Overall I'm behind the idea and if we are thinking of a sub-project for Māori we should aim to try future proof in the creation of this sticker as much as possible.

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@ Fiona... I didn't take out the "a" from the sandbox sticker because the text that Campbell was asking for is not the same as the text on the Native American Sticker's. Please take a look at - see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Sandbox_Liz4 and let me know if you still think that the "a" should be removed.

@ Campbell... let me know if the text for the sticker at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Sandbox_Liz4 is what you wanted/any changes you would like.

@ S... it's been a long day, so my brain isn't processing a lot of what you're saying - I'll try again tomorrow. But... a discussion of the Native American Sticker probably needs to be a different G2G thread. If I recall, the two parameters came about because the sticker at one point had text that said the person "is/was a member of the xx tribe", but "tribe" is not always correct, so the "nation" parameter was added, and used. Then the sticker text was simplified to, for example  "... is/was Cherokee." (what it is now, which is what prompted Fiona to say that "a" needs to be deleted).

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Hi Liz, I agree with Fiona, it sounds a lot more respectful to remove the "a", thanks

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done :D

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For Sticker creation, you need three people to post that they would use it on a profile they manage. 

Cheers, Liz

commented by Liz Shifflett 

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Here's another in support.

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I didn't realize we had any other posts for support.

Margaret, Fiona & S - if you would also use such a sticker on profiles you manage, could you post a separate Answer (instead of reply or comment) to be sure you're counted?

Also... Margaret, as the sandbox sticker is currently coded, you could enter more than one Iwi using the iwi= parameter but it would not turn the following "Iwi" from singular to plural.

@ Campbell & Margaret - If Iwi is akin to a Native American tribe or nation, I wouldn't think multiple Iwis would need to be accommodated. Perhaps the Ethnicity Sticker could be used? (Sorry about the Porteguese flag - I used the example from Relationship Stickers.)

... is Māori from Aotearoa.

... ... ... is 1/2 Ngāpuhi (mother), 1/2 xx (father).

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My questioning the behaviour of the Native American sticker was to try understand how that would flow through to the Māori sticker.

I am personally not comfortable with the suggestion to use the ethnicity type sticker to identify more than one iwi, as Māori have been fighting being called half caste etc for years and it feels like a backwards step to label it with fractions. In documents etc Māori these days list their iwi after their name, as many as they have identified in their whakapapa, ie Ropata Paraone (Tauranga Moana, Tūhourangi-Ngāti Wāhiao, Ngāpuhi).

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agree with 1 iwi per sticker-- can always use two copies of the sticker if there are two iwi

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generally, you don't want to use multiple stickers. For profiles not your own, WikiTree guidelines say no more than 5 stickers & that 3 is better (see [Help: Stickers]).

Please see the sandbox version of a proposed Maori sticker, at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Sandbox_Liz4 - currently, it is set up for just one Iwi (more than one can be listed, but the following Iwi stays singular).

My suggestions are not meant to be disrespectful in any way. I am just trying to help meet the request for a sticker.

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I think I have seen some individuals noted as claiming at least five iwi, and there's no actual limit, so one sticker per iwi could disadvantage some people if there's a maximum number of stickers.

They don't do fractions.

Answer 3

Great idea Campbell. I would use it.  Maybe "....is Maori (Ngapuhi iwi)." Then for those of multiple iwi it wouldn't get too wordy? I know there are a lot of hapu but this would also be useful for researchers to group profiles.

Answer 4

At this stage I do not have any profiles that I manage that could use the sticker as most of mine are from other countries or of Scottish, English or Irish ethnicity. But I am willing to do some profiles that would meet the criteria. Just tell me who.

As for iwi choice, what is needed is what people would have said in their pepeha. It's not a matter of  fractions but what people affiliate to. I am the same with my Scottish heritage.

Answer 5

I would definitely use a general Maori sticker for profiles that I manage. This would help identify a unique group of people with strong family traditions, but for whom written records may not exist and whose naming patterns do not follow European useage.

It would be good to see Iwi stickers too, but as several may be involved for a single individual, simple category links may be the best way to link Iwi and Hapū for the moment.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mānuka-2

Answer 6

Definitely a good idea. I think that it's an opportunity for us to honour the Māori heritage and culture ☺️

Answer 7

I too would use such a sticker on profiles that i manage or support.

Answer 8

I would use such a sticker on profiles I manage where I am confident it is the right place to use it.

Answer 9

Yes, please! I am fully in support of getting this organised for tangata whenua on WikiTree! I have a few profiles I could use this for, but expect to have many more in the future.

Answer 10

I am very much in favour of a Māori sticker and would use it on profiles where I feel confident. I am not sure I have the knowledge to add an iwi, but would like that capability to be part of the sticker. I’m still unsure of the wording I would prefer - currently thinking about something like Hōne Heke was Māori, of the Ngāpuhi iwi. I would get rid of the “from Aotearoa” part, as historically that is a fairly modern (1850ish) concept.

Answer 11

Looks like we have the support needed (3 or more "yes, I'll use it" responses).

However, it seems that the wording for the sticker, as well as what image to use, is still being discussed. I did a second sandbox example with alternative wording.

• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Sandbox_Liz4
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Sandbox_Liz8

You are not restricted to those two options. Whatever you decide, if it is beyond my abilities, I can defer to another Template Project member.

So... when an image for the sticker has been uploaded to WikiTree & wording for the sticker decided upon, please have one of the New Zealand Project leaders let me know (posting to my profile page or sending a private message).

Cheers, Liz

Comments

Unfortunately, Liz, the project does not have a leader nor any project co-ordinators. The people who have responded are all member of the Kiwi Crew - a quasi-project - and a fair representation of active NZ Project members. Campbell is the captain, and as he initiated this and will develop the image, I am sure there be no problem with its implementation. (I love the Liz8 version with the brackets.)

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I like the 'liz8' template as it gives us more futureproofing abillity. Thank you for your amazing work.

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wow! Don't know what I was looking at - thought I checked the New Zealand Project page when I first saw this G2G post & there were two leaders listed. Now there are none (and last change to the page was in August). Sorry!

Campbell - when you settle on wording/image, let me know.

Cheers, Liz

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Just a little problem - both these options add the Maori Iwi category to a profile - this should not happen ( as an individual is not an iwi ). An Iwi is a Tribal Grouping not a person ( we already have issues with individuals being added to this category. 

Only if the IWI option is included, then should that profile be categorised under that IWI ( if the category exists or if the category dose not, then profile needs to be tagged under Pending New Zealand Categories like the New Zealand Sticker sort of does now) ( I have since been corrected on the NZ Stickers actual options - Just forget I said this bit ) 

Thoughts ???

I think no automatically added category is the best option

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Stickers don't have to add a category - I removed it from https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Template:Sandbox_Liz8

The sticker can add a category for all profiles displaying it, or have the option for a user to add a category, or have set values that will add corresponding categories (for an example of set values, see the US Southern Colonist Sticker). This would remove the flexibility that I think y'all want with the iwi parameter (i.e., more than one Iwi). Having the template automatically generate a category would also mean that only one Iwi could be entered (that, and the coding required exceeds my skill level... Steve Harris created the only sticker that I know of that acts that way - the 1776 Sticker; also, that sticker is a bit of a one-off, since the Categorization Project asked that templates not be coded to auto-generate categories).

I think the best bet would be to add any appropriate category separately from the Maori Sticker.

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Thanks Liz  - yes no category is probably the best option - I know the problems with sticker related categories when it comes to renaming ( you have to go through every profile in that category and change the spelling manually)

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Hi Liz,  Liz8 sticker looks like a winner, from our team's discussions we have agreed on this Image for the sticker as it's unlikely to offend anyone. 

https://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Kiwi-52

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@ Graeme - the New Zealand Sticker will auto-generate categories that do not exist. It only adds Category:Pending New Zealand Categories if the parameters are not used or if only the place parameter is used.

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Campbell - image looks great! I'll send the url for Liz8 to the Templates Project for OK.

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Campbell - Since the New Zealand Project has no leader, I removed the second part of the description for the proposed Maori Sticker. (From "This Sticker is for identifying or recognizing individuals who were or are Māori and is associated with WikiTree's New Zealand Project." to just "This Sticker is for identifying or recognizing individuals who were or are Māori.")

Cheers, Liz

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