Comments on Johannes Peter Trachsel

Question

There are responses to my comment on the profile, but I still think it represents two people

On 27 Aug 2022 Janne (Shoults) Gorman wrote on Trachsel-42:

This post is possibly the conflagration of two persons. Find A Grave has two persons, born close to the same time in Switzerland, but buried in two separate locations with different children. Compare:

1) born in 1691 married to Juliana Catharina: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/90206942/johannes-peter-trachsel https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/M3L4-DBM

2) born in 1689 and married to Anna Maria Hunsecker: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/90307296/johannes-troxell https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LQ5B-RXN

Answer 1

I think it's a bigger muddle than that, but there are clearly at least two Peter Trachsel/Troxells.  There is a Peter Trachsel who died in Frederick, Maryland in 1766; his  will  is digitized at FamilySearch at

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9S1-HK7?i=228&cat=1876656

The will names wife Julianna Catherina and eight children: Peter, Daniel, David, John, Christian, Frederick, Julianah, and Margaritha.

I think there is only one 1691 Peter and he is the man who died in 1766 in Frederick, Maryland, not in Egypt, Pennsylvania.   I think the Find-a-grave entry - which does not include any grave marker - is likely erroneous.  It's extremely unlikely that someone who died in Maryland at this time would be buried more than 150 miles away in Pennsylvania.  

Comments

There were at least two profiles that were combined, a Johannes born in 1689 and a Peter, born in 1691.  How does one go about separating the two person's and attributing the correct children to each?  Does WikiTree have experts with experience in this field of merges gone awry?

Answer 2

I seems to me that John got linked with his brother Peter.  Many of the kids listed are Peter's.  John (Johannes Hans) had 5 children.

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The profile has been merged multiple times.  You are right about Peter, as it looks like Johannes and Peter were merged together, at least once:  https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Trachsel-42&diff=next&oldid=55603476

WikiTree says you can "restore" changes, but I know it doesn't work in the case of merges...unless administrators know of a way to restore the deleted information after a merge??

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A new profile has been created for Peter, information about him, his wife, and children needs to be removed from this profile.

EDIT:  Now removed.

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There is a comment on Johannes' profile that a new profile has been created for him, "Drachel-1" but https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Drachsel-1 is a person named Veronica.

What is the new profile for Peter?

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https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Trachsel-210

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The histories of merged-away profiles can in fact be recovered (all except for the original creation of the profile ).

In the history of the merged profile, find the edit where the merge was completed. The entry will include a link to the history of the profile that was merged away. For example, in the profile history of Trachsel-42, one entry for a past merge (in 2017) includes: "(Merged Troxell-102 into Trachsel-42: Trachsel was the name before coming to colonies then it became Troxell)". That hyperlink for Troxell-102 is a hyperlink to the history of the merged-away profile. The most recent entry on that history says: "Member edited the data for Johannes Troxell (1689-1750). (Merged Troxell-102 into Trachsel-42)" In that entry, click on "edited the data" to see what content the merged-away profile had just before the merge.

I think the merge that conflated these men might be the one at https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Trachsel-50&diff=98242181&oldid=74892694

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Ellen, I know that you are the expert.  This is getting beyond my expertise and I don't know what to do now that ADDITIONAL duplicate profiles have been created.  Can you help with that?

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I know how to recover data from merged-away WikiTree profiles, but I am no expert on these men and their families, and there seem to be several members here who are pretty sure they are experts on the families.

If the former Trachsel-50 profile is supposed to be the "Peter" at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Trachsel-210 (I don't know if this is the correct person), a member could copy the text code from merged-away profile Trachsel-50 into the Trachsel-210 profile, then edit to remove any duplication with the data that was hand-added to Trachsel-210.