In search of help finding the parents of Idalene Carpenter

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My great grandmother was Idalene Carpenter, and I can’t find any records that she even existed. I have a piece of paper that was in my grandfather’s things that had her name and said she was born in Russellville, Alabama. My great grandfather’s name was Thomas Anderson Hand b.1881. I’m not sure if they were married as I can’t find any records. My grandfather was Jessie Hand b.1904 and his brother was Ernest Lee b. 1906. Both were Idalene’s children. Based on my dna matches, I believe Idalene’s parents were Carpenter and Seay. If anyone has any information I’d greatly appreciate it.

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asked Jul 8, 2022 in Genealogy Help by April Hand G2G Rookie (250 points)

April, where were Jesse and Ernest born?

commented Jul 8, 2022 by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (917k points)

I think I found Jesse and Ernest in the 1910 census. THey were born in Mississippi of Alabama-born parents; in 1910, they were enumerated in Grubb Springs, Mississippi as nephews of Alabama-born James and Minnie Marana. This suggests that one of their parents was a sibling to either James or Minnie. I realize this is not a direct answer to your question, but clues for looking further.

"United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RK9-9T?cc=1727033&wc=QZZ4-J6P%3A133641901%2C137529401%2C139808401%2C1589088871 : 24 June 2017), Mississippi > Monroe > Grubb Springs > ED 65 > image 4 of 12; citing NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

commented Jul 8, 2022 by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (917k points)

There were no Carpenters in Russellville, Alabama enumerated in either 1880 or 1900 censuses.

commented Jul 8, 2022 by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (917k points)

In 1920, Jesse and Ernest are living in Arkansas with their father and a wife Anna who is too young to be their mother. In this census, Thomas is enumerated as born Mississippi (not Alabama). But Jesse and Ernest's mother is still identified as born in Alabama.

"United States Census, 1920," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRD1-9J3Q?cc=1488411&wc=QZJG-DY1%3A1036470101%2C1038438901%2C1037126901%2C1589332780 : 9 September 2019), Arkansas > Craighead > Maumelle > ED 48 > image 37 of 38; citing NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).

commented Jul 8, 2022 by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (917k points)

Minnie Lee Hand b-1883 Franklin Alabama

father George W Hand b-1867 m-Mary Ann Black

Minnie m-James F Marona 1896 Franklin Alabama

commented Jul 8, 2022 by Chris Mckinnon G2G6 Pilot (641k points)

Thank you for your reply. Thomas was Minnie’s brother. I had found this information earlier and I assumed Idalene must have died shortly after Ernie was born, but as I said I can’t find any information on her at all. It’s very frustrating.

commented Jul 8, 2022 by April Hand G2G Rookie (250 points)

The information I have is that they were born in Mississippi and that both Thomas and Idalene were born in Alabama.

commented Jul 8, 2022 by April Hand G2G Rookie (250 points)

Yes, Annie Maroney was his step mother. I had originally thought she was my great grandmother because my father said she was his grandmother but I started researching my tree and found the age discrepancy. Then a few months later we found the paper in my grandparents old things that said Jessie’s mom was Idalene Carpenter.

commented Jul 8, 2022 by April Hand G2G Rookie (250 points)

I think your theory that Ida Carpenter died shortly after (or even as a result of) Ernest's birth is quite possible. Would explain why the babies were enumerated with their aunt initially until Thomas remarried.

Unfortunately, the *state* of Mississippi didn't record deaths until 1912. From 1879-1912, it was done at the country level. So you *could* try to contact the health department or vital records office in the county she likely died in and see if they have a death record for her under either Ida Hand or Ida Carpenter.

See https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/How_to_Find_Mississippi_Death_Records#Deaths_from_1879_thru_1912

commented Jul 9, 2022 by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (917k points)

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I checked for an Ada, as the two, Ida and Ada are often mixed up. found a Thomas A hand and a Ady C
Capenter living just a few doors from one another on 1900 census. Thomas A hand living with brother John and Ady was a servant in household of Andrew Wilson. Living in Mountain Springs, AL , not far from Russelville, AL. Could be a lead.

Ady C Carpenter

Age

Nov 1878

Birthplace Alabama, USA

Home in 1900

Mountain Springs, Franklin, Alabama

Sheet Number 1

Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation 11

Family Number 11

Race

White

Gender

Female

Relation to Head of House

Servant

Marital Status

Single

Father's Birthplace

Alabama, USA

Mother's Birthplace

Alabama, USA

Months Not Employed

Can Read

Yes

Can Write

Yes

Can Speak English

Yes

answered Jul 9, 2022 by Sandra Vines G2G6 Pilot (138k points)
selected Jul 9, 2022 by April Hand

Great find

commented Jul 9, 2022 by Chris Mckinnon G2G6 Pilot (641k points)

Oh my goodness! Thank you very much. This looks very promising and I’m going to see where it takes me. Thanks again!

commented Jul 9, 2022 by April Hand G2G Rookie (250 points)

Thank You for the Star. i hope the information helps.

commented Jul 10, 2022 by Sandra Vines G2G6 Pilot (138k points)