Genetic Genealogy re: Missing Person?

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My father, Vincent Greene is a missing person, presumed drowned in the Bay of Fundy in 1989. I believe that he reinjured his knee and fell into the ocean near Mispec Beach in Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada near Maine, USA.

I pressured the Saint John Police to take my DNA in 2014. The sample was taken in 2019. In 2022 I checked in with the Major Crime unit and discovered that while my father is listed in CPIC, he is not listed in the national missing persons database. The fact that my DNA was taken is noted in CPIC, but it is not there.

In 2022 I did a 23 and Me test, and added it to GEDmatch. I contacted NameUS but it seems that comparison in that format is expensive. As if that matters to me. I also contacted the Doe Project, but without him or my DNA being listed in the Canadian national database, they probably think that I am a nut.

If anyone has any significant experience with cases like this, let me know. I've been waiting since March for the RCMP lab to get back to my hometown police force, and for them to reply to me.
WikiTree profile: Vincent Greene
in The Tree House by Sheri Richard G2G Crew (870 points)
recategorized by Ellen Smith
I'm sorry to hear about your father's mysterious disappearance and the difficulties you have had in trying to get the data into the databases that could connect you to him if his remains are found and there is recoverable DNA. Maybe someone here has had experience working with the Canada and U.S. missing persons systems, and can give you advice.

Do you think there's any possibility that your father did not drown, but ran away and established a new identity somewhere else? If so, it's unlikely that he would have taken a DNA test that would be discoverable. However, if he had additional children, there's some chance of finding them via a DNA database like GEDMATCH.
I don't think that you are a forensic genetic genealogist. That's who I was hoping for an answer from. Please if everyone else could read my message carefully before they reply, that would be great.
I will say I definitely am NOT a forensic genealogist (lol) - but I am working on my Forensic Psychology Masters degree, and have a 4-year Psychology degree as well as a 4-year Law degree. My specialization is mentally-ill offenders, aboriginal offenders, sentencing, and effective forensic treatments that avoid imprisonment for both of these populations.

If there's any way possible, get your DNA to MAINE, USA - starting with the closest jurisdiction to where your father was last seen in St. John's, NB. I would bother EVERY single level of police in Maine, and then move up the chain (including state troopers, even FBI if necessary as they have an excellent search team specializing in missing persons and may even have details other local officers do not, from another jurisdiction way off the mark, or perhaps even reports/incidents of finding John Doe's and are searching for a relative to notify), then taking more serious steps up the ladder given that you have already tried pretty much all you can do, in my opinion anyway. It is sad that we have to be our own defenders and protectors these days, my aunt is an unsolved homicide here in the city where I live, but the police keep switching the cause of death between suicide, homicide, long-term drug & alcohol abuse. The coroner's report is refusing to be released by the medical examiner on top of that! It's frustrating to say the least.

Canada is VERY different from the US in that our Privacy and Access to [Personal] Information laws are different. In Canada, the governments are clear and strict refusing to share any information pertaining to another individual or even to another governmental body or department. The laws in Canada actually PROHIBIT your "online DNA" sharing to be used against you in solving murders, missing persons, and other criminal cases; whereas, the USA does not have such a strict stance when it comes down to solving cold cases, murder, missing persons cases, and criminal cases in general. The USA is MUCH more liberal with the sharing and usage of "online DNA" and many of the popular family tree/genealogy websites actually have sneaky little clauses for those US citizens who sign-up that provide their CONSENT by clicking the check mark box and agreeing to the lengthy Terms & Conditions in that too small print that basically NO ONE EVER READS! Luckily, this too is prohibited to be utilized against citizens of Canada (the consent checking off part).

Once your "online DNA" has been shared and is out there on genealogy sites (like Ancestry, FamilySearch, etc.), the US governments/departments may use it for any criminal investigations they feel necessary. Canada does not have that liberty or overarching power, since we have strict Privacy and Access to [Personal] Information laws here, PLUS we are also blessed enough to be protected by Charter Rights as well.

It essentially comes down to simple state-jurisdictional differences in Privacy & Access to Info legislation and the one-sided Canadian Charter Rights. Think of it in a sort of way that is similar to how Canada has a common law system of law (innocent until proven guilty) vs. how the USA has an inquisitorial system of law (guilty until proven innocent)....The 2 countries laws are similar, but the details often vary in nature given the circumstances.

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Having your DNA at gedmatch is probably the only (and best) thing you can do for now. as this is the database forensic genetic genealogist use.

hopefully an expert in this field will see your post.
by S Stevenson G2G6 Pilot (252k points)
selected by Sheri Richard
Yes, it's on GEDmatch. There are around 10 unidentified remains on NameUS that could be him, and probably a similar number of unidentified remains in Canada.

I am trying to keep up the pressure on my hometown police force. They are the only hope when it comes to re-requesting a chain of evidence sample.

There are only around 20 unidentified remains that could be him. I can't believe that it is THIS difficult to have samples compared. Their complaints about the cost are infuriating, and ignorant people who create drama and gossip where there is none kill my soul.

DNA Doe Project is funded by donations. I know the costs to identify a body found in a Toronto, Ontario park in 2020 was funded by donations https://dnadoeproject.org/case/trinity-bellwoods-park-jane-doe/

Maybe reach out to the media and to do a story about the unidentified remains in Canada/US and the need for donations to fund the process necessary tests to identify the remains.

I could not believe a city the size of Toronto did not have $2,700 to identify a woman’s body.

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Unfortunately, it's up to law enforcement to nominate unidentified remains to most of the charities that do this. I was actually only asking that my hometown police share information to a few of them when I was told about the loss of my kit.

I swore off talking to the media around 2014, after a particularly embarrassing article was published by a reporter I had to repeatedly tell that I was 12 years old at the time of dad's disappearance. I sent out a couple of interview invitations in April, but I don't know how to feel.

Here's to someday knowing if dad's body was ever found. Thanks so much for your compassion. The more places I share the story, the better my chances of actually getting somewhere.
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One possibility for moving forward might be to contact various true crime podcasts, as having your father's disappearance featured on one might encourage local law enforcement to act. 

Most of the podcasts feature disappearances with contradictory details to fill an hour or longer episode, but a few [off the top of my head: The Murder Squad {which also covers crimes other than murder}, The Trail Went Cold, Dark Poutine] do occasional episodes with several cases with fewer details to fill their hour of programming.

by B. J. Jamieson G2G6 Mach 2 (26.2k points)

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