Marriage Record of Olivier Labossiere to Virginie Lebeau

Question

I would like some help, please finding the marriage record for Olivier Labossiere to Virginie Lebeau in 1868 in Rhode Island.

This couple is not yet on Wikitree as I cannot establish the correct parents for Olivier Labossiere. A Family Tree on Ancestry has them marrying in Rhode Island in 1868. This is Olivier Labossiere's page at FamilySearch.org.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/9J91-N22

Olivier's death record in 1924 is at FamilySearch.org and it lists his parents as Pierre Labossiere and Josette Mathieu. There is no such marriage. The closest I can find is Pierre Labossiere and Theotiste Mathieu who were in CT for the 1850 US census and whose youngest son, Joseph was born about the same time as Olivier. Thanks, Jim

Answer 1

Looking through FamilySearch I see they were born in Canada East (Quebec), so I took a look through the Drouin collection. No luck with a marriage record there, but this seems to be a good bet to be this Olivier Labossiere's baptism record:

https://www.ancestry.ca/discoveryui-content/view/6293268:1091

Alternate copy (church records had backed up hand-written copies) here:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-899Q-Q3VL?i=89&cc=1321742&cat=307799

Baptism #105 occurred in the parish of Saint-Ours, but recorded in the books of St. Denis Catholic Church, Saint-Denis-sur-Richelieu, Quebec. The date was September 16th, 1845; child Olivier was born the same day to parents Pierre Labossiere and Josephte Labossiere (it's very unusual that Josephte's maiden name is not provided). Godparents were Francois Deguire and Marie Labossiere. Someone who's more fluent in French can probably give you a proper translation if needed.

Comments

If that's correct, this FS profile is probably a duplicate: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GSS8-MVX

If you update the post with a Quebec tag you may get more help from others with more expertise than I have.

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Hello Matthew. Thank you for your reply and the effort that you put into this. I have added the Quebec tag. Josephte and Pierre Labossiere were close cousins, hence the same surname. The Olivier Labossiere whom you have found married an Amanda Daigle and after she died young, Rose deLima Lucier. I will check my records again, but very sure, this is a different Olivier Labossiere. Best wishes, JIm LaBossiere

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Looking at it again, I think it's possible that the wrong parents have been attached to the Olivier Labossiere that married Amanda Daigle and Rose Lucier [[Labossiere-521|Olivier Labossiere (1845-aft.1926)]] (and as well on FS GSS8-MVX). That Olivier has no marriage record or death record to compare that shows parents.

The Olivier that apparently married (or at least had children with) Virginie Lebeau died in 1924 in MA and his death certificate list parents Pierre and Josette Mathieu, which is somewhat different than indicated in the 1845 baptism, but is pretty close. (edit: and the location matches)

I'd welcome a second opinion on that.

(Also beware of possibly confusing this profile as well: [[Labossière-480|Olivier Marie Labossière (1849-1917)]], but I believe this Olivier Marie "Henry" has the correct parents - the names on the baptism match his death cert.) I guess there were a few Olivier Labossieres from Quebec in that era.

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Hello Matthew: Thank you for your on going interest in this. I have been researching my Labossiere family for many years and I follow each male line forward as far as possible. I am certain of most of them, however these two Olivier Labossieres are posing a problem as I have not been able to find any of the three marriages for them, that I know about. They are definitely two different individuals, but the Drouin baptisms do not have any other Olivier Labossiere born in the 1840's and there is no such marriage of a Pierre Labossiere to a Josette Mathieu. I believe he may be using "Olivier" as a nickname and it was not his birth name. I have seen a lot of that especially in those who migrated to the U.S.A. Here are the two pages at FamilySearch:

Olivier Labossiere (1847 - 1924): https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/9J91-N22

Olivier Labossiere (1845 - 1926): https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GSS8-MVX

Look at the 1900 US census records for each. different States, different wives, different children.

Thanks, Jim

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Hi Matthew: I research entire familes, so in the absence of a marriage record, I do some guess work based on where the rest of the family was living, thus I could be wrong with the parents of Olivier Labossiere who married Amanda Daigle then Delima Lucier, however, this still does not account for the fact that there is not any other Olivier Labossiere born in Canada East or Bas-Canada at the correct decade. The only candidate that I have who fits is a Joseph Labossiere, born 1844 to Francois Labossiere & Sophie Mathieu. I have no records for him beyond his baptism.

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Labossiere-235&public=1
Jim

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I'm pretty convinced that the Olivier that married Virginie Lebeau had Pierre/Peter and Josephte/Josephine as parents.

If you follow Pierre and Josephte, they're still in Saint-Ours in the 1861 Canada census (along with 15 year old Olivier; 4 year old Philomene, and other children). This has got to be the same family that shows in the 1870 US census in Sutton, Worcester, MA (indexed as "Labasea" on Ancestry). Pierre & family must have immigrated in the 1860s. Olivier and Virginie/Jane (indexed "Labarca") are married on the 1870 census *also in Sutton MA*.

Following Virginie backwards, you find her family on the 1860 census in Uxbridge, Worcester, MA as "Labo"; and her baptism in 1847 in Iberville, Bas-Canada. Her family was still in Canada as of the 1851 census, so they must have moved in the 1850s.

In short, the fact that Pierre and Josephte move to the same place we find Olivier and Virginie, together with Olivier (husband of Virginie's) listed birthplace and parents names on his death certificate, I'm convinced.

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As for the Olivier Labossiere that married Amanda Daigle and Delima Lucier, as you described, this may be someone who was born with a different name. Do you have a copy of his 1926 Connecticut death certificate? If not, maybe look into ordering it - maybe it will illuminate something.

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Hello Matthew: Thank you for all of your help with these records. I really appreciate it. One of my life long friends from grade one says we have to be part CSI (crime scene investigators) to unravel some of these mysteries. You give a very convincing argument that as both families were in MA the Olivier Labossiere living there should be the correct son of Pierre and Josette (Josepthe) Labossiere. Somehow, I had missed that and I picked the one in CT. I have changed the error at FamilySearch and for now have attached the CT Olivier to Francois Labossiere and Sophie Mathieu as they were in CT. I will adjust Wikitree later. I am still puzzled why the death record has Olivier's mother as a Mathieu, but I do know to always be skeptical of secondary information on a record. Thanks again, Jim

Answer 2

Labossière-Mathieu marriage exists, the given names are wrong.

François Labossière married Sophie Mathieu 3 Feb 1824 in Saint-Ours  https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/acte/5728831 Marriage IGD (membership)

no trace of a son named Olivier for them, mostly girls, some boys died young, only marriage I find here is for their daughter Marcelline.  Her brother Pierre is present.

François Labossière had remarried with Rose Allaire 16 Oct 1855 in Saint-Barnabé-Sud, no children from the marriage, François died in 1857.

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Pierre Labossière married to Théotiste Mathieu???  No, his name is Clément and they marry 9 feb 1852 in Saint-Ours, Clément's father is named Pierre

https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/acte/4790339 marriage Célment-Théotiste IGD

no way would any son of theirs marry in 1868, much too young.  They lost 2 children in St-Ours in 1858, otherwise no trace of them.

Comments

Hello Danielle: Nice to hear from you. A late Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you. Thank you for your comments. There were two Labossiere - Mathieu marriages that I have found so far. There is a possibility that the second one could be the correct one, but I need to find the Labossiere - Lebeau marriage to confirm. I have seen too many secondary errors on death certificates to trust all of the information.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Labossiere-54 Clement Labossiere - Theotiste Mathieu whom you mention. Moved to Rhode Island. Both are buried there. I regularly communicate with one of their descendants.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Labossiere-193 Francois Labossiere - Sophie Mathieu. Moved to Connecticut before the 1850 US census which they are in, then eventually back to Bas-Canada. At least two more children married in CT. I have not found any further records for their youngest son, who was baptized, Joseph. I have seen many corruption of names and strange nick names on Quebecois people who moved to the United States, so there is a possibility that this youngest son could be, Olivier and his father's name may have been changed to Pierre, but I am not accepting any of this for certain without the missing marriage record.

Best wishes, Jim

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the Pierre Labossière who was present at his sister Marcelline's wedding in 1858 was born 20 Nov 1828, bapt. 21st in St-Jude, son of François and Sophie

https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/acte/4724949 Bapt. Pierre IGD (membership)

Might be a good idea to track this Pierre, he doesn't show up anywhere else here.

François' family gets baptisms done in Saint-Ours (mention of residence in Sorel), Sorel and Saint-Jude, and also in Saint-Aimé (Massueville).  They move around a fair bit from the looks of it, losing most of their children at a young age.  

The name gets mangled here too, see one written Labostière (sic)

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Hi Danielle: Their son, Pierre married Marie or Mary Pichet about 1850 most likely in Connecticut.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Labossiere-227

The only son in this family whom I have not accounted for is the youngest, Joseph, and he is about the right age.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Labossiere-235

Thanks, Jim

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lord, these border hopping families are among the hardest to track.  

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Hi Danielle: Most of the New England States have very good availability of their records, except for Connecticut. Generally, only have census records from CT. I am slowly solving most of the lost puzzles in my family - only a few I can't track down.

Cheers, Jim