Whats your Opinion? Im not here to fight just sort out information.

Question

Cherokee County has been inhabited for thousands of years by Native Americans; numerous archaeological investigations have shown that Cherokee County was occupied as early as 11,000 years ago by the Paleo-Indians and then later by the Cherokee Nation. During the 1700s, the Cherokee towns were self-sufficient and self-governing, and each person was a member of one of the Seven Clans of Cherokee. Continuing their efforts to adapt to white culture and keep their lands, the Cherokee established a government with the capital at nearby New Echota.

That's just where my 3rd great grandmother was born.

https://www.archives.gov › rolls › g... Web results Guion Miller Roll, 1906 - 1911 | National Archives

That's the roll where my 3rd great grandmothers name appears.

I mean you got to admit thats much of a coincidence.

I have seen her Parents listed as from Ireland. I have also been told its a different woman. Also that those Hammonds where rejected but seen no proof of this rejection.

Sources

• Guion Miller Roll – 1909 Prepared by Guion Miller of all Eastern Cherokee (Not Old Settlers), residing in the either East or West of the Mississippi River. Ordered by the Court of Claims as result of “Suit” won by Eastern Cherokees.

Answer 1

The Caroline Hammond who filed Eastern Cherokee application 30641 was not your relative.

Her application was rejected because she could not show any connection to the Cherokee Indians.

She was born in Georgia in 1842, the daughter of Jesse and Mary (Sorrow) Hammond.

Her husband was named Remus Hammond.  

Her grandparents were born in Virginia.  

Neither she not her parents appear on any of the rolls of Cherokee East of the Mississippi created between 1851 and 1907.  

All of this information is in Caroline's Eastern Cherokee application on Fold3 at
https://www.fold3.com/image/222127229

and that of her cousin James Sorrow https://www.fold3.com/image/221990869

The Caroline Hammond who filed the Eastern app was living with her parents in Oglethorpe, Georgia in 1860.  "United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZMG-5J4 : 18 February 2021), Caroline Hammond in entry for Jessee Hammond, 1860.

Margaret Caroline Hammond married Oliver Norwood in 1848 when the other Caroline Hammond was only six years old.  "Georgia, County Marriages, 1785-1950," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXV9-9CQ : 7 February 2020), Oliver H. P. Norwood and Margaret Caroline Hammond, 10 Dec 1848; citing Marriage, Cherokee, Georgia, United States, Georgia Department of Archives and History, Morrow, FHL microfilm 325,922.

Most public libraries offer free access to Fold3.  

It's worth noting that out of the 90,000+ people who were named in Eastern Cherokee applications only 30,000 turned out to be Cherokee or Cherokee descendants.

Comments

Thank you so much for all this information. Your awesome. It's been a pain in my neck the Norwood and Hammond family.

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"Most public libraries offer free access to Fold3"

How did I not know this? Mine does! Thanks Kathie!

Answer 2

You are also dropping her first name in favor of her middle name. This entry for the wife of Oliver Norwood says her parents were born in Georgia:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNW4-VVK

There's a lot of context in all of these records you are missing by omitting them on her profile. I can tell you know they exist because you placed the Cherokee roll on her profile at Family Search.

I am not involved in any Native American research, I just know that it's better to know the truth than to keep things ambiguous. Maybe you'll find out that's the case, maybe not but if you don't look further you have built yourself your own brick wall.

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I appreciate your Opinion an time. There is literally alot of coincidence though and it wouldn't be the first time someone appeared under a different name or rather a shorter version.  I've seen so many different things about this family that literally I just stopped looking for awhile. Until I was attacked for just saying she could possibly be Cherokee on a different group.

An not to be rude I'd really like to tag that Irish line as one of mine but I'm not saying one way or the other with out proof. At the end of my biography on her I listed other possibilities. Perhaps I should reword it.  Thank you.

Answer 3

She appears on a single census, that of 1850, as "Carolina", already married at the approximate age of 17; in every other census and her marriage record her name is recorded as "Margaret" or "Peggy". She also appears in every census from 1850 on with her race listed as "white". Since she is never recorded on any census as "Indian", and seems not to have used the name "Caroline", particularly later in life, it is something of a stretch to assume that the "Caroline Hammond" on the Guion-Miller roll is the same as Margaret Caroline Hammond who married Oliver Norwood. It is very unlikely that the entry in the Guion-Miller roll refers to this woman.

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I don't 100% trust race listed in Census. Literally you could be listed as one thing in one state. White in just the next state over.

Ive heard race was based on the father in some places. Or even head of house hold.  Not saying I'm right or have all the answers. I just know any line that has envolved possible Native Ancestor some accept some don't. My DNA more than one test comes back as things other than white. So I've been trying to figure it out ever since.

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She is listed as white in every census. I have a second cousin (2x removed) who married the son of the chief and tribal representative of the Delaware tribe; his race is listed in the census as "Indian". So is his father's.

You say you have (unspecified) non-European results from a DNA test; if you're typical of most white Southerners it's significantly more likely to be African than Native American.

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Actually it's both.  1 to 4% NA

1 to 10% African.  

Also a higher Asian. On one test about 14%

It depends alot on the test Ancestry only shows my European ancestry.

Answer 4

Thank you all so much for your help.