Dealing with patronym in Dutch profiles

Question

So, question for all of the Dutch Roots people. I haven't really dealth with patronyms on wikitree yet and even after reading how to deal with them according to the Dutch Roots project, I'm still a bit confused.

I have a Pieter Jans Brouwer, who has a son with his wife Aaltje Martens ten Hoor. The son is named Jakob. Jakob's patronym is Pieters (not mentioned in the birth record, but used later on).

Would the LNAB be just Brouwer? And if yes, where do you put the patronym? As an addition to the proper first name (Jacob Pieters) or as a middle name, or as an Other Last Name (just Pieters, or Pieters Brouwer)?

A secondary question: if the child never uses the patronym on records, do you still record it?

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A secondary question: if the child never uses the patronym on records, do you still record it?

No, I see no reason to record it then.

Answer 1

As per discord chat

Jan (Terink-1) — Today at 07:43

LNAB would be Brouwer. No need to record the patronym. In the birth certificate his given name is recorded as just Jakob. Full name of father irrelevant in this context, and follows from the child-father relation. Even though that certificate in indexed as Jakob Pieters

Enoch (Stuivenberg-2) — Today at 07:45

It depends on what name is on the birth/baptism certificate, we have agreed at the dutch roots project that we will use the Birth or Baptism record of a person, see: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Dutch_Roots/Naming_Convention#Last_Name_at_Birth_or_LNAB
 

Jan (Terink-1) — Today at 07:54

But of course the funny thing is that though usually in birth certificates no patronymic is recorded as given name, it often pops up again later in marriage or death certificate.  So perfectly possible he is there recorded as Jakob Pieters Brouwer. Then to be recorded in Other(!)

Also: No to "A secondary question: if the child never uses the patronym on records, do you still record it?"

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Thanks Coen!

Last answer was truncated: Then to be recorded in Other(!) Nicknames. The exclamation is my way of asking where the first Nickname field is...

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So, if I understand it correctly, as long as there is a last name for the father (regardless of if there is or isn't a patronymic also used by the father), the child (who is often just recorded with first name, last name inferred from father's name) will have the last name as the LNAB. And if the child later on uses the patronymic in a record, then record the patronymic in Other, correct?

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Yes, so the LNAB is that of the father (excluding the father's patronymic). Later use of the patronymic would be correct to record in Other Nicknames (so not Other Last Names!).

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With surnames becoming mandatory by law as of 1811 there was no need to record patronymics anymore. However in the northern provinces they often continued recording them, in addition to the official surname.

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Thank you for the help!