Help needed with Johan, wife of John Lewis (1590s-1650s)

Question

There is a proposed merge with [[UNKNOWN-114365|Johane Morgan (UNKNOWN) Lewis (1594-bef.1630)]].  Does anyone have information on Johan's maiden name?

Answer 1

I may have found something to help here:

http://lewis-genealogy.org/genealogy/Lewis/Councilor-95.htm

Although this writer was in search of another immigrant John Lewis he does seem to have alot of information on your John Lewis and it looks like it is well documented and researched.

http://lewis-genealogy.org/genealogy/Lewis/Councilor-95.htm

Comments

Thanks, Lynn.  Unfortunately there are no sources.  I do see there is a marriage record for a John Lewis and Johane Lewis in 1610 in Monmouthshire at TheGenealogist.co.uk, but I don't subscribe to it so I can't see the detail.

P.S.  I'm not related to John or Johan; I'm just trying to assist with research.

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Marriage  at  St Brides  Netherwent  Montgomeryshire 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/25069812?h=820c3b&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url

edit checked  back to the first page of the register: It's misindexed, and is correct on the profile (Llantillio Pertholey)

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I don't subscribe either I was just searching and found this and sent you the link.  I have copied and pasted this information from the website, there is more.                          

John Lewis was baptized 2/22/1592 at St Telios Church, Llantilio Pertholey, Monmouthshire, Wales. This was the family church wherein reside the Lewis family records. John grew up on one of this Lewis family's holdings in Monmouthshire, Wales. On 2/3/1611 at St Telios, John married Johane furch Richard Lewis b. c. 1593 in Wales with whom he had three children. Evidently, she died young. On 11/21/1630 at St Telios, John married Catherine Philip b. c. 1610 in Wales. John and family lived in Wales until about 1653 when they immigrated to Gloucester Co VA. The first record for John in America is found in the 7/1/1653 York Co VA land patent where he received 250 acres as headright for transportation of five persons: himself, Lydia (Lettitia), William, Edward, and John, Jr. Note, wife Catherine is not listed.

John lived a good life and sired an enormously successful line who married into the most powerful families of Virginia--Washington, Marshall, Fielding, Meriwether, Daingerfield, Taliaferro. Descendants of John would sire presidents. But, perhaps, the most remarkable thing about John of Monmouthshire is his almost three-hundred-year anonymity. Most historians know of Councilor John Lewis, and some know of his father, Maj. John Lewis of Chemokins. But until the 1948 discovery of John "the Immigrant's" tombstone on the original family plantation, no one knew of this John Lewis.

Virginia Magazine of History & Biography, Apr 48 & Aug 54: John Lewis, b. 1594 Monmouthshire, d. 1657. . .his grave found in 1948

John died 8/21/1657 on the family plantation. The cemetery is now located in New Kent Co VA.

• Christened 2/22/1592 St Telios Church, Llantilio Pertholey, Monmouthshire, Wales

• Married 2//3/1611 at St Telios, Wales to Johane furch Richard Lewis b. c. 1593 in Wales

• Married 11/21/1630 at St Telios, Wales, to Catherine Philip b. c. 1610 in Wales

• Immigrated before 7/1653 to York Co VA

Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, v. 1, p. 229: 1 July, 1653, land granted to John Lewis, 250 acres, head of a branch of Poropotanke Creek called Lewis Creek (formerly Totopotomoye Creek) in Gloucester Co. Adjoining lands of Capt. Francis Morgan and Samuel Sally. Transported 5 persons: John Lewis, Lidia Lewis, Wm. Lewis, Edward Lewis, John Lewis Jr.

• 1653 New Kent Co VA Land Record

Epitaphs of Gloucester and Mathews Counties in Tidewater Virginia through 1865, pp. 95-99: The dividing line between Gloucester County and King and Queen County is Poropotank Creek. On the King and Queen side of this creek JOHN LEWIS in 1653 received a patent for a tract of land; this land was not far from paradise in Gloucester. . . . Old New Kent County History, Vol. 1, pp. 268-271: On the left of the road which passes up a slight hill on the King and Queen side of the creek lies the Lewis Plantation. This was the seat of the first JOHN LEWIS who had his first patent to 250 acres of land in 1653, and added more land. JOHN LEWIS lived here several years before his death in 1657.

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According to recent researchers, the John that married Johane in Llantilio Pertholey isn't the same person as the John Lewis that immigrated to Virginia.  That John died in Llantilio...  Just located this site that discusses it.  So Johane would need to be detached from John the immigrant...

Note:  This G2G post is about Johane, not John.  John has his own G2G post here.

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That is not what I read, it says he went on to marry Catherine Philips and move to Virginia and it gives sources for that information, There were two John Lewis' according to this website.  I would want to compare the actual sources of this information by the recent researchers and the source of information by this researcher who has done an excellent job of tracing this family in England to see whose source is more relevant.  This John Lewis married Johane the source may give Johane's parents and further information.  I do not think that there is enough information to make the decision to detach johane.

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Lynn, you didn't look at the site I am referencing.  It's here.  Arthur Price stated: "Grace Moses is probably right in saying that John Lewis the emigrant comes from the ancestral line she puts forward in her booklet. But in the detail she is totally wrong, and this is easily proved. I have looked at the Llantilio Pertholey Church register in the Gwent Archives several times and sure enough there is the baptism of (and I quote)- “John ye son of Lewis Ryketts baptised Feb 22 1591″. However Moses did not go on to find in the same register (and I quote again), ” John Lewis Rickett buried Jan 3rd 1668″. So John Lewis Rickett was emphatically not the John Lewis who went to America and as a consequence Moses further arguments fail at the first hurdle."

He further commented, " I am glad you have incorporated the information I gave you, but perhaps I didn’t go far enough in my comment of 23 October 2016. John Lewis the emigrant had nothing at all to do with the parish of Llantillio Pertholey (in Welsh Llandeilo Bertholau). He was not born there, did not live there, did not get married there, did not have children there. Also his parents had no connection with the parish. John Lewis Rickett was from an entirely different unconnected family; a poor labourer, who never left the parish.

Therefore all the family connections Grace Moses makes in her book regarding the Lewis family in the parish and wider locality are wrong; as I have been able to prove. Moses confused dates, times, places and people. She combined at least three different John Lewis’ into the same person,non of whom are the correct one. I have been researching this for the last ten years and have documentary evidence to prove it. You could say that this leaves the search for John Lewis at exactly the same place as when his gravestone was discovered in America. ….. John Lewis born in Monmothshire c.1594….. Parish unknown! But not quite. Interestingly the first articles about him after the gravestone was discovered suggest that the family consisted of John, his wife Lydia and two sons, they being born in the order they are given. I have found a John Lewis from a minor but well off family, who featured in local wills etc. He has a wife and two children (names unknown). The Lewis family of Llangattock, Breconshire, had land connections with the parish they came from in Monmouthshire. This John Lewis is in a Parliamentry government c.1650 list of those not to be pardoned for their Royalist activity during the civil war. Near where he lived and in the same parish is a large wood called…… wait for it…… Bertholey. Can I prove this is the correct John Lewis. No, not yet."

So the marriage of Johane and John in Llantilio Pertholey has nothing to do with the John Lewis that immigrated to Virginia.

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Any further comments relating to John should be put on the G2G post regarding him that I referenced.  This post is about Johane, not John, and what her maiden name was.