Who were the parents of John Ayer?

Question

John Ayer is currently shown as the son of Thomas Eyre and Elizabeth Rogers.

This appears to be at best speculative.  Here's a website http://www.themorrisclan.com/GENEALOGY/AYER%20John%20F15036.html with the following discussion:

"It is possible that our ancestor was the John Ayer christened on 2 September 1582 at St. Thomas in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. (S3,S5). However, it is also noted that a John Ayer was buried there in 1599. (S5). Unfortunately, the record does not identify the parents of either John. 

"Another possibility is the John Eire christened on 28 March 1596 at Bromham, Wiltshire, England. (S3). However, this John was the son of Robert Eyer and Cecely Crosse. (S10). 

"He is said to be the son of Thomas AYER [F30072] and Elizabeth ROGERS [F30073]. (S5). Not enough is known at this time to determine for certain if this is correct." 

Comments

Please consider closing this thread if you feel the issue has been resolved. The evidence is clear and the parents have been removed. You may ask for project protection if you fear the parents will be reattached. A disputed origin and parents section has been added. Thanks!

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I closed it, and then I reopened it, because this is the type of question for which additional evidence could well appear.

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Understood. Although if that happens a second thread could always be started.

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Yes, but... it clutters up the profile with links to multiple threads.

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Makes sense.

Answer 1

It is almost certainly *disproven* that he is the son of Thomas Eyre (Ayer).   This family appears in the 1613 visitations, and no John is listed.  This is almost certainly because the John baptized to Thomas died as is recorded in 1599.   John is also not named in his proposed brother's wills at all.

John's parentage is completely unknown and should be disconnected from his parents in his profile.

John's wife was not an Evered or a Webb.  This is from a confusion from a will of a John Evered who names the Ayer children in his will.

Comments

One of the "brother's" wills (Christopher Ayer, 1619) has been transcribed here:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/collaborate/KHL2-319

Answer 2

I would agree that the current linkages for the parents of John Ayer are clearly unproven and enough conflicting hints to cast some doubt they might eventually be proven.  There are also alternative theories that have problems - with no one clearly right.

I would recommend that:

1) we detach Thomas Eyre and Elizabeth Rogers as parents from John Ayer

2) that we create a new profile Unknown Ayer and make it the father of John Ayer - in this new profile we lay out the current theories with pros and cons to make them all visible.

3) we attach all the contenders for parents of John to the new Unknown Ayer profile as UNMERGED MATCHES (which WikiTree protocol means possible match, but insufficient info to be conclusive for a merge).  This has the benefit of removing the unproven parents but providing a path to all the ongoing theories, should anyone wish to pursue and making it clear to all who has been considered.

4) then we can clean up the profile for John Ayer, making it much more readable and making what we DO know more visible.

Answer 3

The Genealogy source:

Wiltshire Visitation Pedigrees, 1623 - Harleian Society, London, 1954 pp 57-8; Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry-18th Edition, Burke´s Peerage Ltd., London, 1965 p. 246

A History of the Wiltshire Family of Eyre- Mary Elizabeth Frances Richardson Eyre, Mitchell & Hughes, London, 1897 p 14

The Visitation of Wiltshire, 1623 Harleian Library, London, 1954 pp 57ff

A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland - John Burke, Esq- 290

A Short Account of the Family of Eyre of Eyrecourt and Eyre of Eyreville in the County of Galway - Rev. Allen Stewart Hartigan

Father: Thomas 1545 m. 16 April 1577 St. Thomas, Salisbury, Wilts. Elizabeth Rogers, c. of John Rogers (b.c.1545 Poole, Dorset, Bur. 24 Dec 1612, Salisbury, Wiltshire

Thomas was Mayor of Salisbury in 1587. He held lands in Wimborne, Dorset and purchased the Manor of Chilhamptonand South Newton, Wilts. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Rogers of Pool, Dorset and descended from the family of Brainston, Dorset. Thomas´monument is in the church of St. Thomas in Salisbury.

Issue: 1. Robert b.c. 1560/Anne Still,  2. Lyonell 1570,   3. Catherine 1571   4. Giles 1572   5. Nicholas 1573  (skip to ) 9. Thomas 1580   10. John 2 Sept 1582 Salisbury m. Hannah Webb, d. 1588 Haverhill, MA

This is my line that I am descended from.

Comments

Thomas Ayer's profile is here. It mentions a son John, but that he likely died young as he was not mentioned in the Eyre pedigrees published in Visitation of Wilts 1565 or 1623 based on Wilts. Notes & Queries, 5. See the discussion within the above profile for more.