Dutch Roots Challenge: Maintenace Project Profiles / onderhoud project profielen

Question

Hallo Allemaal,

Het DRP/Netherlands project heeft een uitdaging voor iedereen die mee wil doen:

Zoals aangekondigd aan onze leden tijdens de Source-a Thon zijn we van plan een volgende groep profielen los te laten. Maar niet nadat we ze nog wat liefde en aandacht hebben gegeven. Het gaat om de Nederlandse profielen van na 1810 (op onze lijst zelfs vanaf 1800) waarvan het project de manager is. Daarbij vragen we jullie hulp. Heb je wat tijd en zin over dan kun je het volgende doen:

1. Kies een profiel van deze lijst en zet er je Wiki-ID achter

2. Complementeer en source het profiel zo goed mogelijk

3.Voeg een maintenance categorie toe, mochten er essentiële bronnen ontbreken

4. Verwijder de projectbox

5. Geef op de lijst aan dat het profiel kan worden verweesd (of niet: geef reden)

6. begin weer bij stap 1 als je nog zin hebt.

Alvast hartelijk bedankt voor je tijd en moeite!!

English:

The DRP/Netherlands project is organizing a challenge for everyone who wants to take part:

As we announced to our members during the Source-a-thon we are planning to orphan the next group of profiles. but only after giving them some extra love and care. We are talking about the post 1810-profiles the project manages (even post -1800 on the list) We ask your help to do this. If you've got some spare time you can do the following:

1.Choose a profile form this list and add your Wiki-ID to it.

2. Complete and source the profile as good as possible

3. Add maintenance category if needed (when BMD records are missing)

4. Remover the Project box

5. Note on the list  you have finished and if the profile is ready to be orphaned (or not: give reason)

6. Start at 1. if you are still in the mood.

Many thanks in advance for helping us out.

Comments

Enige profielen hebben links naar het Rotterdams Archief via WieWasWie, b.v.: https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/2463523, die blijkbaar uit 2017 dateert . Deze link funtioneert echter niet meer en is vervangen door https://www.wiewaswie.nl/detail/65452932 . Ik was van mening dat alle URL's van WieWasWie met voornoemde constructies permanente links waren. Dit schijnt echter dus niet het geval te zijn...... Is hierover verder iets bekend?

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Tja, de ene permanente link is de andere niet... Aanleverende archieven wijzigen zelf hun URLs nogal eens en kennelijk slaagt wiewaswie er niet altijd in dezelfde link te blijven hanteren. Volgens mij is Stadsarchief Rotterdam bijvoorbeeld recentelijk echt permalinks gaan gebruiken , zoals https://hdl.handle.net/21.12133/1A9AB1D051504B11A7E5713D58686DEB

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Als het Rotterdams Archief deze wijziging recentelijk heeft ingevoerd, dan is dat waarschijnlijk de reden, waarom de oudere WieWasWie verbindingen niet meer functionneren. We kunnen dus in toekomst mogelijkerwijze ook van andere locale archieven een soortgelijke verrassing verwachten.......

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Ik weet in ieder geval dat er vele "Error 965: Link error 404 Not Found" zijn. Natuurlijk veel andere oorzaken zoals typo's en verdwenen websites, maar ook meer recente, zoals die welke veroorzaakt zijn door het tool "genealogietools" dat, aangeschopt met een wiewaswie url, ook een link naar openarch geeft die nogal eens fout is omdat die kennelijk door het tool ooit eenmalig is gekoppeld aan de wiewaswie url. Voorbeelden zijn de provinciale archieven van Limburg, Overijssel, en Drenthe.

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Yes, I've been focusing on Rotterdam profiles recently, and it seems almost all of them have broken links. It speaks to the need to do more than just put down a URL as a source - the original source data is useful too: (the physical archive and its location, Akte number, etc.)  Makes it easier to find it again if the website changes or disappears.

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Hoi Eef,

Good to see how everyone steps in.

Can you please have a look at profile Borgsteede-154 and see if what I have done, is correct?

Wishing you a lovely day.

With kind regards, Carolina.

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Hi Carolina,

Looks perfect, as usual with your contributions, thank you!

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Hi Jan,

Thank you. Good to see you and good to know.

With kind regards,

Carolina

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Hoi Caroline,

Like Jan said: Looks perfect and thank you for helping out. We appreciate it greatly!!

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It is a pleasure.

Every little bit helps!

Answer 1

Tried to add my id to Kluijver-6, a profile I polished 10 october. The list was read-only.

Comments

Yes W, sheet was unintentially set readonly. Is Fixed now so you should be able to polish!

Answer 2

Ik zie een zestal leden van het Koninklijk Huis in de lijst staan. Het lijkt me dat zij zeker binnen de scope van het project vallen.

- Oranje-Nassau-8 (Koning Willem III)

- Van Oranje-Nassau-15

- Van Oranje-Nassau-16

- Van Oranje-Nassau-37

- Van Oranje-Nassau-38

- Van Oranje-Nassau-39

Comments

Hetzelfde geldt voor premiers als Ruud Lubbers en Wim Kok.

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alle profielen van na 1800 staan op de lijst. je kunt achter het profiel op de lijst aangeven dat het een beroemdheid is en daarom door het project gemanaged moet blijven worden.

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Bedankt. Dat is duidelijk. Dan zal ik het op de lijst aangeven.

Answer 3

I will focus on the Borgstede profiles.

Answer 4

I'm going to try to work on the Akrijn profiles :)

Comments

Hi Amanda, thank you for participating in this challenge.  In one of your actions I saw the comment "Needs profiles created" taken from the box in the profile and in the box "Make Orpan Y/N " an N. If a profile has the necessary sources it can be orphaned regardless of the needs.  If there are Needs you can turn the Project box into a sticker.  To do this, put the word Sticker > "Dutch Roots Sticker" after Dutch Roots (note Sticker with a capital letter).  This profile (Abbink-40) has sufficient sources.  I've edited the profile and noted it in the spreadsheet so you can see what I mean.

Met vriendelijke groeten Joop 

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Thank you for your explanation Joop, it's very appreciated :)

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Since we are with templates and needs, I have a question:

In "Het Nederlands Portaal" six (6) "needs" are listed; Needs=Death is not included but, in the URL https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Dutch_Roots_Project_Needs_Death, this category seems to be living..... Does this represent a changed rule or is Death here still "illegal"...?

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We are looking into it. If you have a profile still needing a death source, you can use the Category for now. But it is a bit silly to have needs possibilities for the sticker and next to it categories doing the same job. Both are not complete. (death missing for the needs; marriage missing in the categories).

But be assured we are working on it and aware of the problem.

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Hi Jan, thanks for your comment,

In het Nederlands Portaal you will find global information on a few, not all of them,  "Needs" in a template. In this case the most used (meest gebruikte). See: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Nederlands_Portaal/Afbeeldingen_en_Templates#Dutch_Roots_Needs_Templates

The Needs=Death is used less often because it has no value in itself as proof of a relationship to parents or children if it has been proven by a birth or baptism certificate.

Detailed information can be found in the Dutch Roots Project pages.  However, these will be reviewed, made more readable and the information will be coordinated in the various information pages.  

Met vriendelijke groet, Joop

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Thanks for the background lights on the "needs=Death" issue! Since birth and death being prime events in a person's life, they should be mentioned in each biography and - in case of missing - merit both to be listed in separate need lists of a genealogy database.

mvg, jan

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But please note that the needs=Death may be long lived on a profile due to privacy restrictions, like availability of "overlijdensakten" only after a minimum of 50 years after death...

Answer 5

Voor mij een aantal Friezen. O.a. De atlete Foukje Dillema.

Answer 6

Trying to generalize.

Three of the six profiles I processed were parents of notables: the mother of Mata Hari and both parents of computer scientist Edsger Dijkstra. They looked very orphanable to me, but what with their notable relations?

They were Kluijver-1, her husband Dijkstra-521 and Hamstra-42.

Answer 7

I'll be working on the Mulder profiles in the list tonight.

Answer 8

I added my 2 cents. All Harlingen born persons can be orphaned.

Comments

Thanks Melle!!

The profiles will be orphaned. Joop is doing that job while I'm removing PPP's from the more recent profiles (most of the people who died after 1800).

Answer 9

I've seen several cases where the name of a spouse, not the name of the subject appeared in the project box text.

Comments

I do not remember having seen that ever. Do you have an example?

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When I find another I'll report it and not remove the project box. The ones that are gone are gone .. But I mentioned a few (after removal) in the comments column of the maintenance worksheet (E).

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Yes, found one. Tried to reconstruct the issue but failed unfortunately.

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Maybe that editbot was part of the cause. Reconstructing it's actions (if at all possible) might then recreate the situation.

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EditBot only added {{Dutch Roots|needs=Birth}}

Can hardly imagine that was the cause. There were numerous EditBot actions like that in November 2017, in the unfortunate unconditional conversion of the decorative Dutch Roots template to Dutch Roots projectbox, causing the tsunami of "931" suggestions.

Anyway, thanks for reporting the issue. And thanks for the substantial work you do in this challenge and for the Dutch Roots project in general!

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I leave one in place. It changed after I edited the marriage and her husband. [[Hartman-1097]]

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Adrianus Cooiman is gerelateerd aan Nederland.

Is that what it said before your edit action?

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No, after my editing action. It has now reverted to the normal Cornelia Hartman is gerelateerd aan Nederland. As it was when I started. Might even be some tension between Firefox and the WT system. I like reproductivity, not this mess.

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I agree W, it's messy.

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This 'bug' happens when you edit a marriage. The name of the profile from which you made the edit will then appear on both spouse's profiles. It has something to do with a delay in the functions that parse the names in the templates.

This error solves itself within a few minutes. Then the correct names appear in the templates. So it is not really a big problem.

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Glad it wasn't my imagination:)) Problem not solved, but no real obstacle.

Answer 10

I've just done 2 but I'm new to this so if somebody has time, would you have a look and let me know if I'm on the right track or missed anything?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hogenberg-5

and his wife

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ras-229

Thanks,

Judy

Comments

Nice job.

I usually change the Dutch Roots Project box into the Dutch Roots sticker and move it just above the birth paragraph, updating it appropriately of course.

{{Dutch Roots  ->  {{Dutch Roots Sticker

Also I like the mention after each marriage if there were any children. e.g. They had at least X children together, if I see children linked from the marriage profile in WieWasWie

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Thanks, Coen. I've never added a sticker before. But when I did i've put a yaar 1828 but it is displaying as 1811. Why is this? https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hogenberg-5

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I tried copying another post and it still puts 1811 - see this one too! AAAgh!!

[[Ras-229|Klaassina (Ras) Hogenberg (1852-1889)]]

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Hi Judy,

Actually all recorded "jaar" after 1811 are displayed as "na 1811", and "jaar" before that display as actually recorded. Probably because in 1811 civil registers were introduced.

I never record "jaar" or any of the other redundant parameters of the template. Why record "jaar" when it is already a basic data item (year of birth). Why record "provincie" when it should be one of the constituting elements of birth place.

Redundant recording of data invariable leads to data conflicts sooner or later. There is a suggestion in the Data Doctors project that checks "jaar" vs year in date of birth, see here for actual number. Caused by people changing year of birth without also changing "jaar" or vice versa.

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Yes, I agree, it does seem a bit redundant to record birth year and place. So like this?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ras-229

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Yes, looks fine!

Answer 11

Eef, ik ben bezig met Groen-153, maar kan op mijn smartphone niets met de spreadsheet, kan je mijn ID erachter zetten, heb vader en moeder al toegevoegd,

Bedankt alvast Herman

Comments

I've tagged it with your name and ID

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Thanks Coen

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yes bedankt Coen!! Was wat later met reageren.