Brick Wall: Looking for the surname of Mother married with six children

Question

Husband is [[Ryan-11616]] James Ryan b1843 Kilkenny, Ireland, married about 1851 to Alic? ?? she also was born Kilkenny see various census 1861, 71,81, All children were born in Lancashire, England near St Helens   Could she have been Ryan at birth?

Answer 1

According to the GRO index (https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp) Alice's maiden name was Long:

RYAN, CATHERINE    LONG

GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 610

RYAN, ANASTATIA    LONG

GRO Reference: 1872  D Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 658

RYAN, JOHN    LONG

GRO Reference: 1875  S Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 666

RYAN, RICHARD    LONG

GRO Reference: 1877  M Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 761

RYAN, ELLEN    LONG

GRO Reference: 1880  M Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 713

Comments

Possible marriage:

Name: James Ryan

Event Type: Marriage

Event Date: 31 Jul 1867

Event Place: Ireland

Event Place (Original): Thomastown, Kilkenny, Ireland

Gender: Male

Marital Status: Single

Father's Name: John Ryan

Spouse's Name: Ally Long

Spouse's Gender: Female

Spouse's Marital Status: Single

Spouse's Father's Name: Richard Long

"Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8Z-W4L : 6 February 2020), James Ryan, 1867.

Answer 2

Daughter Bridget birth record names Alice Curran as mother, however I don’t believe he married in 1851 at the age of 8.

"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881", database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5T4-TJ9 : 15 February 2020), James Ryan in entry for Bridget Ryan, 1870.