Proposal to update baptism and parentage of Thomas Cooper (PGM)

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Thomas Cooper (PGM, PPP) came from Hingham, Norfolk, England, and by 1639 resided in Hingham, Massachusetts. From there he removed to Rehoboth, where he was buried, 17 March 1690.

We propose to update Thomas' profile, based largely on information developed from the 1634 English will of Ann Cooper. As part of the update, we will report his baptism at Hingham, Norfolk, 29 January 1603/4 and link him with confidence to parents Thomas and Margaret. 

Backstory. In the mid-1930s, while his English research was in process, Clarence Almon Torrey wrote "The Clark and Cooper Families of Hingham, England," The American Genealogist 13 (1936):151-54, digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors. Based on some initial work with the Hingham parish registers, Torrey determined that the immigrant Thomas Cooper was referred to as "the grocer" in those records. 

He could not confirm Thomas' parentage, in part because two Thomas Coopers were baptized at Hingham, Norfolk, close in time 

  • Thomas Cowper, son of Thomas, baptized 29 January 1603[/4] (parish register)

  • Thomas Cooper, son of Robert, baptized 8 [or 5] February 1606[/7] (parish register)

WikiTree 2022. Members of the English and Puritan Great Migration projects have been collaborating to advance research about the early Hingham and surrounding Lincoln, Gilman, Cooper, etc. families. As part of this process, Ann Browning worked from the Norfolk Record Office Catalog to identify the 1634 will of Ann Cooper of Hingham, singlewoman. Nic Donnelly successfully located the will (FHL film 167109, DGS 8004648). It was then transcribed by Susan McNamee, with some expert input from Jo Fitz-Henry, Nic and Ann. 

See Will of Ann Cooper of Hingham, a Single Woman, 1634

From this will, we learn that the 1634 testator, Ann Cooper, was the daughter of Thomas and Margaret (_____) Cooper. Ann's will names four siblings, John Cooper, Nathaniel Cooper, Rebecca and Thomas. She further names her brother Thomas' three children--Thomas, Samuel and Rachel. 

Logic and reasoning. The only Thomas Cooper of Hingham known to have had children Thomas, Samuel and Rachel by the date of Ann's will is our immigrant, Thomas (Cooper-679),

  • Thomas, sonne of "Thomas Coop[er] grocer," baptized  31 August 1630 (parish register)

  • Samuell, sonne of "Thomas Coop[er] grocer," baptized  2 Mar 1631 [1631/2] (parish register)

  • Rachel, daughter of "Thomas Coop[er] grocer," baptized 1 November 1633 (parish register)

Might folks have any questions or comments regarding the proposed update? 

WikiTree profile: Thomas Cooper
in Genealogy Help by GeneJ X G2G6 Pilot (121k points)
edited by GeneJ X
Great job, all of you! Your teamwork has produced some very valuable results.

I support this change.
Thank you Sharon. Collaboration works! --Gene

5 Answers

+5 votes
Thank you! I'm sure you know better than I on this line.  :)
by Kathleen Shell G2G Crew (690 points)
Thank you, Kathleen. There has been a good deal of collaboration on this one. --Gene
+7 votes
What a great collaborative effort!  Excellent work everyone!
by Scott McClain G2G6 Mach 3 (32.3k points)
Thank you, Scott McClain.

WikiTree's collaboration opportunities are unmatched!
+5 votes
Hi Gene

Sorry to be the only negative comment and I should add that I do think this is great research, fantastic collaboration and the scenario proposed is probably the most likely one, but (there's always a but) I still think there are too many unanswered questions and far too many Thomas Cooper's in the Parish of Hingham in this time period to be completely sure that this is the right parents/baptism.

I was able to look at Torrey's article and I find it a bit troubling that apart from quoting baptism, marriage and burial information from Hingham, he cites no other sources, which means I'm not sure on what basis he determined that Thomas Cooper 'the Grocer' was the immigrant, or that he was in the United States by 1639.  

Torrey has also only focused on information from Hingham and not looked at surrounding parishes that may give further clues.  For instance, finding the marriage of Thomas Cooper and Rachel, would help in deciding if the baptism of the children of Thomas 'the Grocer' could be the same person as the baptism of children of Thomas and Rachel?

Anne's will also raises further questions for me, such as how did she own land in the Parish of Hardingham?  Was it bequeathed to her by a grandparent, other relative, godparent?  Had the family lived there before?

I realise there could be any number of reasons why she bypassed her brother Thomas in the will, both in leaving money to his children, and not him, and in leaving him out of the process that would follow after her parent's died, but again for me that raises some questions.

I am probably quibbling over minor details, but I have been having a bit of a look and not found anything, but I'm wondering if there are other wills that might give further information, or is there guild or apprenticeship information?
by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (631k points)
Hi John,

I am the biggest sceptic when it comes to American genealogy books so can understand any doubts however we have checked not only Hingham but parishes near and far in Norfolk as well as going through the actual parish register entries checking names and details. The evidence of the wills transcribed and yet to be transcribed is helping to prove relationships without any doubts. Hingham register doesn’t start until 1600 which is one reason for transcribing the Cowper/Cooper wills which is an ongoing task (if anyone would like to help please contact Gene and if anyone has access to a FHC in order to get wills that are locked on the Family Search site that would be extremely helpful).

We are doing a very thorough job and I’m sure we have identified Thomas Cooper correctly but as said there are still more wills to transcribe just to make sure that we are 100% correct in that identification.

Regards,

Ann

Hi John,

I didn't interpret your comments as negative. Perhaps too many details about the backstory follow. You may have already been aware of some of these points, hopefully a bit or two will address the possible conflicts you raise.

1. More to do … Yes. You wrote, " I'm wondering if there are other wills that might give further information …" 

We have many more wills to transcribe. Those doing the work assist each other and receive a helping hand from WikiTree experts. If you or others have an interest in this work, or would like to learn about processing English wills, please, please join us.  

2. Why Hingham? 

You wrote, "[Torrey] ... also only focused on information from Hingham and [did not look] at surrounding parishes that may give further clues."  

Torrey was himself related to the Gilman family of Caston and Hingham (thus more closely associated with the Clarke family), but his work on the Lincoln-Gilman-Cooper-Clarke families extended beyond Hingham. Torrey knew Thomas Cooper was part of a migrating cluster[1] and believed he came from Hingham. In his notes about early settlers, Daniel Cushing wrote, "Thomas Cooper and his wife and two children and two servants and two other persons (viz:) John Tufts and Robert Skouling, came from Old Hingham, and thereabout, and settled in New Hingham." 

Our WikiTree collaboration also extends beyond Hingham. Ann Browning routinely pulls identifiable parish records from surrounding towns. (See her comment.)

3. You wrote, "I find it a bit troubling that apart from [parish registers, Torrey] cites no other sources …" 

Au contraire, Torrey referred to both "Daniel Cushing's valuable record" (also as "Cushing's record") and "Rev. Peter Hobart's diary." Both are reasonably contemporaneous records about the immigrants and were created by folks who had personal, first-hand knowledge of the families. 

  • Daniel Cushing (1619-1700),[2] from Hingham, immigrated with his father, Matthew Cushing (born Hardingham) and family. Daniel became Hingham's third town clerk (rather chatty in his record). See "Daniel Cushing's Record," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 15 (1861):25-27; digital images, Hathi Trust

  • Rev. Peter Hobart (1604-1679),[3] from Hingham, came to New England in 1635 and settled at Hingham the following year. Hobart ministered there, recording early baptisms, marriages and deaths. Torrey likely worked from a manuscript, but part of the journal was published as Andrew H. Ward, "First Settlers of Hingham," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 2 (1848):250-255 (marriages, etc. begin at 252; digital images, Hathi Trust. For the more complete, transcribed record, see C. Edward Egan, Jr., "The Hobart Journal," New England Historic Genealogical Register, 121(1967):3-25, 102-127, 191-216, 269-294; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors

4. You wrote, "... I'm not sure on what basis he determined that Thomas Cooper 'the Grocer' was the immigrant, or that he was in the United States by 1639."

Aside from the record of Daniel Cushing, Torrey's reasoning applied onomastics to the England and Massachusetts families, as he devised them. Finding the names Nathaniel and Rebecca as English siblings of "the grocer" and as children of the immigrant, baptized Massachusetts. 

There is a circular reference of sorts with the onomastics, as both records must be proven--and each provides support for the other.  

Separate from Torrey's work, (a) English-born son, Thomas Cooper, baptized 1630, is about the right age to have had children born at Massachusetts in the mid-1650s. (b) Albeit light, there are some continuing onomastics--son Thomas has a child Rachel; daughter Rebecca has child Nathaniel; son Nathaniel has child Thomas.

[1] In 1963, Walter Goodwin Davis wrote, "Mr. Robert Peck, the parson of Hingham [England], was a fanatical Puritan and in 1638 he and over a hundred of his parishioners embarked on the ship Diligent of Ipswich to emigrate to New England … They went down the south shore to Hingham [Massachusetts Bay], a settlement founded some years previously by a group of … neighbors from their English home." [See Ancestry of Abel Lunt, 159, Hathi Trust]. 

[2] Daniel Cushing's wife was Lydia Gilman, daughter of Edward Gilman (PGM) and Mary Clark/e (PGM). Mary's sisters Rebecca and Margaret married, as their first wives, Joseph Peck (PGM) and Anthony Cooper (PGM), respectively. 

[3] Peter Hobart's second wife was Rebecca (Clark/e) Peck, daughter of Joseph Peck (PGM) and Rebecca Clarke. This Joseph Peck (PGM) was the son of Mr. Robert Peck, the organizing parson of Hingham.

Have posted an updated proposal. Hope folks will comment.--Gene 

+6 votes
Updated proposal!  

As we don't have a united front on this, I propose we keep Thomas linked to his father with the uncertain status indicator, and that we link him to the proposed mother, also with the uncertain status indicator.

This will allow us to update his baptism and give his profile a very much needed refresh. --Gene
by GeneJ X G2G6 Pilot (121k points)
+3 votes

From my research notes:

One Thomas Cooper came on the DILIGENT, of Ipswich, John Martin, Master. She sailed from Ipswich, Suffolk, in June and arrived August 10 at Boston, with about one hundred passengers, principally from Hingham, Norfolk, destined for Hingham, Massachusetts (other sources have that the Diligent sailed from Gravesend on 26 Apr 1638)

THOMAS COOPER of Hingham, county Norfolk Mrs. Cooper .......Cooper .......Cooper

There were several Coopers in 1698 Southampton, including a Thomas Cooper and a Thomas Cooper Junior.

Thomas COOPER buried 20 (4) 1637 being 80 yeares ould in Boston

I have a Thomas Cooper-  Cooper-23412  who died between 1658/1659 in Southold (now Suffolk, NY)  

And some of the name can be found in the Barbados records….

by Anne X G2G6 Mach 3 (36.3k points)

Hi Anne X, 

Thank you for your thoughts on this. 

Have posted a comment on the profile of your Thomas Cooper (Cooper-23412), died before 20 January 1659.--Gene

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