Mabel Vivonne (1255 - bef. 1294)

Ancestors

Biography

According to Richardson "Royal Ancestry" IV, under MALET, Mabel married Fulk (or Foucald) d'Archiac, seigneur of Archiac in Saintonge. "They had five sons, Aymer, Knt. [seigneur of Archiac], Foucaud, Amaury (or Aimery) [seigneur of Saint-Germain], Simon [Archbishop of Vienne, Cardinal of Sainte-Prisque], and Guillaume (monk), and one daughter, Anne (wife of Simon de Lezay)."

In an internet discussion he has said that:

"Mabel was born about 1255, and was married to her husband by 1279. She died before 1299."^[1]

In that discussion, Peter Stewart seems to question which d'Archiac family is involved:

"NB A further complication in tracing his family is the existence of another, not far away, with the same surname and using some of the same given names - there was at least one other Guillaume de Forz at the same time, recorded between 1190 and 1213. According to Janet Gardiner in _‘Miles’ and ‘Milites’: a Study of the Composition of the Aristocracy in the Diocese of Saintes, 980-1300_ (doctoral thesis, UCB 1984), he belonged to a noncastral family."

"Gardiner, ibid 207, has Fulco d'Archiac recorded in 1280. She indicates one son, Ademar, with his wife Mabel. Ademar was named as a co-heir of his maternal grandmother along with his aunts Cecily, Joanna and Sibilla (who like him was 24+ years old at the time, apparently in 1303/04), see _Calendarium genealogicum: Henry III and Edward I_, edited by Charles Roberts, 2 vols (London, 1865) ii 567, "Adomarus fuit filius 'et haeres' cujusdam Mabillae quae fuit quarta filia praedictae Matildis...Sibilla et Adomarus sunt aetatis viginti quatuor annorum et amplius". I have no other information to hand on that family."

Similarly, Charles Cawley on MEDLANDS seems only to recognize one son of Mabel, Aymer (as of 20 May 2016).^[2]

It appears from this and other sources on the internet that at least some genealogists would place the other children (apart from Aymer/Ademar and Fulk/Foucaud) named by Richardson elsewhere in the family tree, apparently siblings of this Fulk, whose father was also apparently named Fulk.

Schooling seems confident that Aymer's heir was his brother Fulk d'Archiac. She names evidence for Archbishop Simon d'Archiac being her brother-in-law rather than son.^[3]

Schooling also gives evidence that Mabel married between 1269 and 1278, and that she was dead by 1294.

Sources

1. ↑ Richardson et al http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2010-04/1272423230
2. ↑ http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANGOULEME.htm#FoucaudArchiacMMabileVivonne
3. ↑ Margaret Schooling "13TH CENTURY MARRIAGES BETWEEN THE ANGLO-NORMAN AND POITOU FAMILIES OF VIVONNE, FERRERS AND ROCHECHOUART" Foundations (2012) 4: 21-35 http://www.territoire-de-la-meteorite.com/joomla1.5/images/patrimoine/historiques/personnages/mrovo.pdf

Acknowledgements

• WikiTree profile Vivonne-4 created through the import of TheOlivers_2011-06-11_01.ged on Jul 9, 2011 by Rich Oliver. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Rich and others.