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Robert de Umfreville KG (abt. 1365 - abt. 1437)

Sir Robert de "Deputy Admiral of England" Umfreville KG
Born about in Northumberland, Englandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
[children unknown]
Died about at about age 72 in Redesdale, Northumberland, Englandmap
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Profile last modified | Created 14 Sep 2010
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Biography

Sir Robert de Umfreville was the son of Thomas de Umfreville and Joan de Roddam.

His birth date is not known but he was old enough in 1388 to fight in the Battle of Otterburn[1] and his older brother Thomas was said in Inquisitions Post Mortem to be 24 and more or 26 and more at his father's death in 1387.[2] It has been guesstimated as about 1365.

He died on 27 January 1436/37, without issue.

Research Notes

Robert has previously been shown on WikiTree as father of William Umfreville. There is no good source for this. As far as is known, Robert had no children.

Mackenzie's History of Northumberland states that Sir Robert Umfranville, grandson of Robert Earl of Angus and vice-admiral of England, "married the widow of Sir Robert Umfranville, half brother to Gilbert Earl of Angus, and died 5th January, 15 king Henry VI. It is recorded, that, coming with his son William to Misseden, in the county of Berks, he became a monk in the monastry there; and, till of late times, the Umfranvilles have been possessed of some lands in and near Misseden. William Umfranville, the son of Sir Robert, was left with the abbot of Misseden."[3] This statement is erroneous. Robert Umfreville died on 27 January 1436/37 (15 Henry VI) when his heirs were the daughters of his brother Thomas and their descendants.[4] Only if he was illegitimate could William be the son of Robert.

Sources

  1. Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, entry by Henry Summerson for 'Umfraville, Sir Robert', print and online 2004, revised online 2019
  2. M. C. B. Dawes, M. R. Devine, H. E. Jones and M. J. Post, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Richard II, File 48', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 16, Richard II (London, 1974), pp. 172-192, British History Online (entries 469 and 470), accessed 5 October 2022
  3. Mackenzie, Eneas 1778-1832. An Historical, Topographical, and Descriptive View of the County of Northumberland, and of Those Parts of the County of Durham Situated North of the River Tyne, with Berwick Upon Tweed, and Brief Notices of Celebrated Places on the Scottish Border. (Newcastle upon Tyne: Mackenzie and Dent, 1825.) Page 337.
  4. Mapping the Medieval Countryside. (Online: King's College London, 2014.) "E-CIPM 24-698: Robert Umfravile, knight" https://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/24-696/698 Accessed 28 October 2023.




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Umfreville-41 and Umfreville-15 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicates
posted by Michael Cayley
Hi Michael,

I'm not sure how I ended up with this profile. I have approved the merge I will remove myself as a manager but please do the merge, Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Thanks, Ann. I will do so. There appear to be a set of duplicate, ill-sourced profiles for later Umfrevilles, from old GEDCOM imports, and you have somehow adopted some of them. If I have time and energy, I will be proposing other merges, but I have done enough today to identify merges that interest the Magna Carta Project.
posted by Michael Cayley
There appears to be no good source for Thomas de Umfreville and Agnes Grey having a son called Robert. Their only known son was called Gilbert. So I propose to remove them as parents and have added a research note.
posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
I have done slightly more research. Robert appears to have been attached to the wrong Thomas de Umfreville. Thomas, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Umfraville-13, had a son called Robert who married someone called Isabel, family name unknown. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Umfraville and the ODNB entry for Robert Umfraville at https://www-oxforddnb-com.lonlib.idm.oclc.org/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-27992#odnb-9780198614128-e-27992. They are said by both Wikipedia and the ODNB to have had no children, though some unsourced trees on the web show a son called William. There is another profile for Robert at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Umfreville-41. So I am changing parents and proposing a merge of the duplicate profiles. A William has previously been detached from the duplicate profile for Robert, and I am detaching him from this one too.
posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Robert de Umfreville died without issue, so I'm disconnecting William Umfreville as his son.
posted on Umfreville-41 (merged) by Kirk Hess

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