Ida (Toeni) le Bigod (aft. 1160 - 1204)

Born after 1160 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England

Ancestors

Wife of Roger Bigod — married before 25 Dec 1181 in England

Descendants

Died 31 Mar 1204 before age 44 in Ripon, Yorkshire, England

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Biography

Name

Different spelling of surname Tony, Toeni, de Toeni, Tosny

A source for spelling surname, "Royal Ancestry" Douglas Richardson 2013 Vol. V. page 171

Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk^[1]

House of Tosny or Tosney^[1]

Alice's husband's DNB [www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/2378/?back=,2376 article] also has de Tosny, as well as her son's [www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/2376?docPos=2 article].

Note, some sources do not have parents or a surname for her, e.g. "Ida, daughter of ---"^[2]

Royal Mistress

ward and mistress of Henry II^[1]

Prior to her marriage with Roger Bigod, Ida Toeni was a mistress of Henry II of England. Allegedly, their son is William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury.

Perhaps the most important correction included in this book is the maternity of William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, a well known illegitimate son of King Henry II of England. William has long been thought to have been the product of his father’s illicit affair with “Fair” Rosamond Clifford. In 1979 Vera London published charter evidence which proved that William was actually the son of an unidentified “Countess Ida.” In 1993 Douglas Richardson identified William’s mother as Ida, wife of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk. This identification has been confirmed in recent time by the research of Ray Phair. ^[3]

1181 Marriage

m. 1181 Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk^[1]

Issue

Ida de Tony as mistress to Henry II had one son:

1. William Longspee

Ida de Tony and her husband Roger le Bigod had five sons and three daughters: ^[4]

1. Hugh (5th Earl of Norfolk)^[4]Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk m. 1206 or 1207 Maud Marshal dau. William Marshal^[1]
2. William^[4]William Bigod^[1]
3. Roger^[4]Roger Bigod^[1]
4. John^[4]
5. Ralph^[4]Ralph Bigod^[1]
6. Mary^[4]Mary Bigod m. Ralph FitzRobert^[1]
7. Margaret^[4]Margery Bigod m. William de Hastings^[1]
8. Ida^[4]

Children currently linked in WikiTree who are not verified by Richardson ^[4]

1. Thomas
2. Alice/Adeliza
3. Unknown Bigod married Basset

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9} Wikipedia: Ida de Tosny
2. ↑ Cawley, Charles, Medieval Lands Project on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, Medieval Lands database, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
3. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Introduction to Plantagenet Ancestry www.royalancestry.net
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.8 4.9} Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Volume I, page 362

• http://www.thepeerage.com/p21779.htm#i217789

• "Royal Ancestry" 2013 by Douglas Richardson Vol. I page 40

Illegitimate child of Henry II, by a mistress, Ida de Tony, daughter of Ralph de Tony (died 1162), by Margaret, daughter of Robert, 2nd Earl of Leicester. Ida later became the wife of Roger le Bigod, Earl of Norfolk (died 1221).

• Royal Ancestry 2013 D. Richardson Vol. I p. 362-364

• Magna Carta Ancestry 2011 2nd ed. Vol. I p. 197-200

• "Royal Ancestry" 2013 by Douglas Richardson Vol. V. page 171

See also:

• www.royalancestry.net

• Wikipedia:William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury

• Henry II of England

Illegitimate children:

by Ida, wife of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk: While it had been known for some time that the mother of William was a "countess" Ida, her identity was only recently proven. As one of two known contemporary English countesses named Ida, the wife of Roger Bigod had already been a prime candidate [see Reed (2002), which was going to press just as the crucial discovery was made]. Convincing proof of her identity as the wife of Roger Bigod was only recently discovered by Raymond W. Phair, who announced his discovery in the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 3 July 2002, and then published it in The American Genealogist [Phair (2002)], citing a list of prisoners after the Battle of Bouvines in 1214, in which Ralph Bigod was called a brother of the earl of Salisbury. The parentage of Ida remains unknown, but see Reed (2002) for the possibility that she might have been a daughter of Roger de Toeni and Ida of Hainault.

William "Longespee", b. ca. 1170 [See Reed (2002)], d. 1226 [Rog. Wendover iv, 116-7], earl of Salisbury. [Rog. Hov. iv, 13]; m. Ela, heiress of Salisbury. [See CP 11, 379; DNB 12, 115-118]

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