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Emma (St Leger) de Longchamp (1145 - 1195)

Emma de Longchamp formerly St Leger aka de St Leger
Born in Wartling, Sussex, Englandmap
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Died at about age 50 [location unknown]
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Biography

Emma St Leger was born in 1138.[1]

She married (1) Hugh de Longchamp, (2) Walter Baskerville.[2]

Her son Geoffrey de Longchamp was her heir in 1195.[2]

Research Notes

The support for her two marriages and son Geoffrey is a footnote in a passage about Hugh, son of Hugh, which is worded in such a way as to cast doubt that she was Hugh's wife:

"This Hugh, if he was the father of Geoffrey Longchamp, son of Emma of S. Leger, who afterwards married Walter Baskerville, must have died before 1195, as in that year Geoffrey fines as his mother's heir. Anyhow Geoffrey was one of the family, for Osbert Longchamp is his pledge. Madox, Hist. Exch., 356."[2]

However, on a subsequent page is found the footnoted statement that names Geoffrey as Hugh's son and brother of the lord of Wilton who died in 1212 (Henry):

"A nephew named Geoffrey, son of Hugh and brother of the lord of Wilton was amongst the barons who compelled John to grant the charter.[2]
"[2] This Geoffrey was the husband of Isabella, daughter of Henry de Mineriis of Westbury in Gloucestershire, Rot. Claus. 345. His estate was at Eston. He was with John's enemies in 1216 (Rot. Claus. 279.) His land was of the fee of Walter de Lacy (Rot. Claus. 241)."

Henry's Wikipedia article, which names him son of Hugh de Longchamp,[3] also names two of his brothers:

  • "William, was to become Chancellor of England and Bishop of Ely..."[3]
  • "Osbert, Sheriff of Yorkshire and Norfolk"[3]

William[4] and Osbert[5] also have Wikipedia articles.

None of the Wikipedia articles names their mother.

William's Wikipedia article, in addition to brothers Osbert and Henry, names a brother Robert (became a monk) and two brothers (became abbots), as well as sisters:[4]

  • Richeut, married the castellan of Dover Castle[4]
  • Melisend, "came to England with Longchamp, but otherwise is unknown"[4]
  • "A sister is recorded as having married Stephen Devereux, but whether this is Melisend is unclear."[4]

Family: The chronicler Roger Howden/Hoveden, pages c-cii, lists the "fates of the several members of the Longchamp family",[6] including:

  • Stephen Longchamp, "steward of Normandy, the friend and companion of Richard... went over to Philip." He died "fighting for Philip at the battle of Bouvines."
  • "Henry the sheriff of Herefordshire, after his release from prison, appears as sheriff of Worcestershire from 1195 to 1198.... He did in 1204,[4] and the next year the king confirmed the gift of the castle of Wilton to another Henry the son of Hugh;[5] of his two sons
    • "William, the husband of the heiress of Croun, died before him.
    • "Osbert, after being the sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk in 1194, was, with his brother, in disgrace in 1198.... [In 1207] his wife Avellina paid a fine not to be compelled to marry again, and for the wardship of his heirs...."
  • Robert, the monk of Caen, whom the chancellor made the prior of Ely... survived until 1239."
  • "A nephew [presumable Robert's nephew, but possibly the nephew of "the chancellor"], Geoffrey, son of Hugh and brother of the lord of Wilton..." [see above]
  • "The lord of Wilton died in 1212,[3] and his grand-daughter brought the castle of the Longchamps into the house of Grey.[4]"
The chancellor died at Poictiers in 1196.
Excerpts from the footnotes included in the list:
  • (from page ci) [4] "On the 23rd of March 1204, Matilda, his widow..."
  • [5] "...Henry's own sons... if he had any surviving, had [perhaps] lost their title by joining Philip, as their uncle Stephen had done. His daughter-in-law Petronilla had claims of dower on the Wilton estate, which seems to prove to a certainty that he himself had held it. William his son was dead in 1203...."
  • (from page cii) [3] "He married Maud, the sister of William Cantelupe, who had the wardship of the heirs. He was with John's army in Ireland in 1210...."
  • [4] "To make an end of the Longchamps. The identity of the family with that of Wilton, I have I think established in the notes. It would be a most extraordinary thing if Herefordshire contained two families of exactly the same names and both holding lands under the Lacies. It is of Hugh de Lacy that Hugh de Longchamp held Wilton in 1168; from Walter de Lacy that Stephen held Frome Herbert, and Geoffrey his land at Kempley.... Again, Hugh, nephew of William the chancellor.... This Hugh was son of Henry. Rot. Fin. 6 John ; and brother therefore of William ; both of them had lands in Lincolnshire. Hugh married Georgia, daughter of Henry de Columbariis...."

From page xxviii, "in Herefordshire Ralph Arden, Glanville's son-in-law, is replaced by Henry Longchamp, the chancellor's brother." Page xxxviii: "William was a son of Hugh de Longchamp [who] seems to have married a Lacy".

From a comment posted on Henry's profile (Longchamp-8) by O'Brien in 2021:

[Rotuli de Liberate, Pilesitta Rolls, pages 178, 184, 203, 212, 223] Henry de Longchamp, knight, served with John’s army in Ireland from June 1210 until after 15 August 1210. He was advanced money from the treasury on five occaisons for accommodation etc.
The monies that were advanced to Henry were to be repaid by his son and heir Henry III Longchamp as recorded in a Fine Roll entry dated 28 December 1234 .
...William de Cantelo is mentioned... as guardian of the heir of Henry de Longchamp, and there is record of his having received a grant of that wardship in the financial year ending at Michaelmas 1211. [f.n. "Willelmus de Cantilupo d.m. et v. palefridos pro habenda custodia terre que fuit Henrici de Longo Campo, cum custodia et maritagio Matildis que fuit uxor ipsius Henrici, sororis ipsius Willelmi, et cum maritagio heredum ipsius Henrici, etc." Pipe Roll, 13 John, Worcester.]

The "two families" mentioned by Hovelen must be a reference to the Battle abby roll[7]

"Longechampe. This great baronial name is not written in Domesday; hut appears in England within the next twenty years. Henry I. granted lo Hugh de Longchamp the castie and naanor of Wilton in Herefordshire, to hold by the service of two men-at-arms in the Welsh wars : and the gift was confirmed to his son, Hugh II., by Henry II., the year after his accession. The next heir, Henry de Longchamp, Sheriff of Hereford in 1190, and of Worcester in 1195, married Maud, sister of William de Cantilupe, and died in 1211....
"William de Longchamp, Bishop of Ely, Ccenr de Lion's famous Chancellor and Justiciar, and his brother Osbert, who, in the time of his power was for some years Sheriff of York, Norfolk and Suffolk, claimed no kinship to the baronial house."
William "was at last disgraced and deposed from his high place, and... return[ed] to [France,] his native country."

Sources

  1. Ancestry Family Trees: Ancestry Profile, http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=16692088&pid=1141251842, Ancestry Profile
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 Roger Hoveden, Chronica Magistri Rogeri de Houedene: Volume 3 (Cambridge University Press, New York, 2012), footnote 5, pages xxxiv-xl, (Google Books), accessed 19 May 2024.
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 Wikipedia: Henry de Longchamp (c1150–1212), accessed 19 May 2024.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 Wikipedia: William Longchamp (died 1197), accessed 19 May 2024.
  5. Wikipedia: Osbert Longchamp (c1155–before 1208), accessed 19 May 2024.
  6. Roger Hoveden, Chronica Magistri Rogeri de Houedene: Volume 3, Google Books, accessed 19 May 2024.
  7. The Battle abbey roll, by Battle Abbey, Catherine Lucy Wilhelmina Powlett Cleveland (London, J. Murray : 1889), page 207 (image 217 of 414), archive.org.






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I adopted this orphaned profile because WikiTree says she is my gr-grand (25, 27, 28, & 29x-gr-grand - 2 out of 4 trails with no "Uncertain").

edited to add... - I'm not seeing any support for her being Henry's mother, so maybe we're not related.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
I don't find any evidence for the parents. Should we disconnect?
posted by Andrew Lancaster
ST LEGER EMMA Married [1] Hugh Longchamp [2] Walter Baskerville

'Kempley', in A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 12, ed. A.R.J. Jurica (Woodbridge, 2010), pp. 196-222. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol12/196-222

In 1086 Roger de Lacy had an estate at Kempley of three hides made up of two manors held in 1066 by Edric and Leuric. Roger's estates, of which Kempley was almost certainly inherited from his father Walter (d. 1085), were forfeit by his rebellion against William II in 1095 and were given to his brother Hugh (d. by 1121).

In the later 12th century the manor belonged to Emme de St Léger, wife in turn of Hugh de Longchamp (d. by 1194) and Walter de Baskerville. Walter surrendered the estate to her son Geoffrey de Longchamp in 1195 and Geoffrey's widow Isabel held it in the mid 1230s. The manor, of which Emery de Cancellis was said in the early 1240s to hold a third from Walter de Baskerville, passed with the Longchamps' main estate, at Wilton in Bridstow (Herefs.), to Maud, daughter and heiress of Henry de Longchamp, and she and her husband Reynold Grey held it in 1260.


[BOF,page 1138] 1242-1243. HEREFORD'. Emericus de Cancellia de tercia parte dimidii feodi Walteri de Baskervill' in Kenepeleg' de eodem auxillo.

[CFR HIII] 29 November 1217 Lambeth. Gloucestershire. William de Gamages and Isabella [correct to Elizabeth], his wife, Geoffrey de Longchamp and Isabella, his wife, and Payn of Burghill and Dulcia [correct to Basilla], his wife, give the king 20 m. for having seisin of the manor of Westbury as of the right and inheritance of the women. Order to the sheriff of Gloucestershire that, having accepted security for paying the 20 m. to the king, he is to cause them to have full seisin of the manor and its appurtenances within his bailiwick. Witness the same earl.

posted by [Living O'Brien]
edited by [Living O'Brien]
St Leger-149 and St Leger-65 appear to represent the same person because: same husband

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