John (Segrave) de Segrave (abt. 1315 - 1353)

Born about 4 May 1315 in Norfolk, England

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Died 1 Apr 1353 at about age 37 in Bretby (in Repton), Derbyshire, England

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Biography

Note 1: John had close relatives, a father and son, who were also named John de Segrave. They were lords of the Barony of Folkestone, through marriage.

Note 2: Sir John de Segrave, is defined as 4th Lord Segrave by Complete Peerage. However his father Stephen died so soon after his own father John, that he never actually claimed his inheritance.

John was about 10 when his father and grandfather died in 1325. Richardson gives an exact birth date.

His wife was Margaret, the daughter of Thomas of Brotherton, who was an illegitimate member of the royal family who had become Duke of Norfolk. She is referred to with the surname Marshall, which represents her inheritance.

John died 1 April 1353 without male heirs. His heir was his daughter Elizabeth, who was wife of John de Mowbray.

He left a will dated 1352 at Bretby (in Repton), Derbyshire, England. , requesting burial at Chaucombe Priory. His wife remarried Walter de Mauny, a knight originally from Hainaut.

Other children

Not mentioned by Complete Peerage, apart from Elizabeth it has been shown that John had other children who predeceased him:

As pointed out by Richardson, two sons named John, and a daughter named Margaret are named in a record dated 1354, of the Cambridge Corpus Christi Gild.^[1] This was after John was dead and his wife Margaret had remarried, and so Alice and her new husband noted the late husband John and the three dead children.

One of the sons named John apparently lived long enough to be married. There also seems to have been a son Edmund. The Medieval Genealogy website's Complete Peerage pages note:

He had been predeceased by a son John, for whom a dispensation was granted in 1349 to marry Blanche, daughter of John Lord Mowbray [Complete Peerage, vol. 9, p. 384, note e; vol, 10, p. 662, note e]. Brad Verity, in April 2003, gave further details of Lord Segrave's sons Edmund, who died in infancy, and John, born at Bretby Castle, Derbyshire, 13 September 1340, from C. W. Segrave, The Segrave Family: 1066 to 1935 (1936) [citing the Arundell Manuscripts].^[2]

Based upon this, Phillips (who runs the website) has speculated that young John's cousin with the same name, John de Segrave of Folkestone, might NOT have been married to a Blanche as Complete Peerage states in a footnote.^[3]

Sources

1. ↑ https://archive.org/details/cambridgegildre00cunngoog/page/n102
2. ↑ http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/p_segrave.shtml
3. ↑ Phillips: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/segrave.shtml and https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/NUB8F4FFGTU/gY_bl35EICoJ

• Cockayne et al., Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., Vol.11, p.609.
• His father's and grandfather's post mortem inquisitions are in: J E E S Sharp and A E Stamp, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Edward II, File 97', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 6, Edward II (London, 1910), pp. 426-436. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol6/pp426-436 [accessed 5 October 2019].
• Richardson, Royal Ancestry 2013 Vol. IV p. 263-266

Also see

• Gary Boyd Roberts. The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States. Genealogical Publishing Company. Baltimore, 2008.
• Wikipedia: John Segrave, 4th Baron Segrave