Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson, Vol. IV, page 101.
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Di Savoia-27 and Savoie-232 appear to represent the same person because: Di Savoia-27 and Savoie-232 appear to represent the same person because: Margaret de Savoie married firstly Baldwin de Redvers, secondly Robert de Aguillon, and she was the daughter of Thomas II de Savoie and his second wife, Beatrice de Fieschi, the current parents on Di Savoia-27 are incorrect. See discussion on The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 4, p.320-321. https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/320/mode/2up In this time period Savoie is the correct LNAB
Di Savoia-27 and Savoie-232 appear to represent the same person because: Margaret de Savoie married firstly Baldwin de Redvers, secondly Robert de Aguillon, and she was the daughter of Thomas II de Savoie and his second wife, Beatrice de Fieschi, the current parents on Di Savoia-27 are incorrect. See discussion on The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 4, p.320-321. https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/320/mode/2up In this time period Savoie is the correct LNAB.
Savoie-647 and Savoie-232 appear to represent the same person because: Margaret de Savoie, the daughter of Thomas of Savoy, Count of Flanders and his second wife, Beatrice de Fieschi, married first Baldwin de Redvers, 7th Earl of Devon and secondly Robert de Aguillon (see The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 4, p. 320-321 https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/320/mode/2up)
Di Savoia-27 and Savoie-647 are not ready to be merged because: These two profiles do represent the same person, but there is also a third profile for this person and as they have the lower number for the LNAB of Savoie (Savoie-232), both of these profiles should be merged into that one.,
This may or may not be the same person as born 1245 and sometimes called Margaret. In that scenario, her mother can't be 65 at her birth. So, either the dates are wrong, or the placement is wrong, or perhaps there's a generation missing. That would explain a lot.
Note both dads Thomas, both moms Beatrix, both daughters Margaret.... down a generation from the tricky/implausible timeline for REDVERS & AGUILLON etc.
That would also re-place this Margaret b 1245 with Thomas III and Amadeus V both born in the 1240s... that is intuitively intriguing. Of course, no evidence. Just a hypothesis, as I try to ungarble this profile with her possible match.
Your right Isaac, there is a long discussion of the impossibility of Margaret/Avita being the daughter of the Thomas, Count of Savoy who died 1233, in The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 4, p. 320-321 https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/320/mode/2up and she must be the daughter of Thomas of Savoy, count of Flanders, and his second wife, Beatrix de Fieschi (CP gives her name as Fiesco)
I'm wondering if Avita/Avoie is actually a mistake and she is only called Margaret in primary sources?
Savoie-647 and Di Savoia-27 appear to represent the same person because: This Margaret who m. AGUILLON may be the same Savoyard as Avoie (Avita) who m. REDVERS of DEVON
See my comment re The Complete Peerage, vol. 4, above, and yes the Margaret who married Baldwin de Redvers, Earl of Devon, did marry secondly Robert Aguillon.
However as we already have a profile for Margaret de Savoie (Savoie-232) the daughter of Thomas II de Savoie, Count of Flanders, both of these two profiles should be merged into that one, as we are using Savoie as LNAB for this time period, and Savoie-232 is the lowest number.
Margaret de Savoie
Marriage (1): Baldwin de Reviers Earl of Devon in 1257
Marriage (2): Sir Robert de Aguillon of Watton and Perching after 13 Jun 1269 1
Died: Bef 14 May 1292 1
Another name for Margaret was Avoie de Savoie.
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https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Savoie-232
Note both dads Thomas, both moms Beatrix, both daughters Margaret.... down a generation from the tricky/implausible timeline for REDVERS & AGUILLON etc.
edited by Isaac Taylor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_de_Redvers,_7th_Earl_of_Devon
We should get to the bottom of this. (There's a maternal line at stake, for many living descendants.)
I'm wondering if Avita/Avoie is actually a mistake and she is only called Margaret in primary sources?
Please review https://buist-keatch.org/buist/goring/9079.html and decide if it's evidenced.
However as we already have a profile for Margaret de Savoie (Savoie-232) the daughter of Thomas II de Savoie, Count of Flanders, both of these two profiles should be merged into that one, as we are using Savoie as LNAB for this time period, and Savoie-232 is the lowest number.
Margaret de Savoie Marriage (1): Baldwin de Reviers Earl of Devon in 1257 Marriage (2): Sir Robert de Aguillon of Watton and Perching after 13 Jun 1269 1 Died: Bef 14 May 1292 1 Another name for Margaret was Avoie de Savoie.
so, duplicate of: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Di_Savoia-27