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Marguerite (Savoie) de Savoie (1245 - 1292)

Marguerite (Margaret) "Avita" [uncertain] de Savoie formerly Savoie
Born in Chambéry, Savoy, Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married 1257 [location unknown]
[children unknown]
Died at about age 47 in Addington, Surrey, Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 19 Aug 2011
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Biography

Name

Margaret Savoy

Birth

1245 Chambéry, Savoy, France

Death

14 MAY 1292 Addington, Surrey, England

These dates are from Wikipedia. But was she really 42 and married a man half her age?

Sources


  • Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson, Vol. IV, page 101.




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Di Savoia-27 and Savoie-232 appear to represent the same person because: Di Savoia-27 and Savoie-232 appear to represent the same person because: Margaret de Savoie married firstly Baldwin de Redvers, secondly Robert de Aguillon, and she was the daughter of Thomas II de Savoie and his second wife, Beatrice de Fieschi, the current parents on Di Savoia-27 are incorrect. See discussion on The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 4, p.320-321. https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/320/mode/2up In this time period Savoie is the correct LNAB
posted by John Atkinson
Di Savoia-27 and Savoie-232 appear to represent the same person because: Margaret de Savoie married firstly Baldwin de Redvers, secondly Robert de Aguillon, and she was the daughter of Thomas II de Savoie and his second wife, Beatrice de Fieschi, the current parents on Di Savoia-27 are incorrect. See discussion on The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 4, p.320-321. https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/320/mode/2up In this time period Savoie is the correct LNAB.
posted by John Atkinson
Savoie-647 and Savoie-232 appear to represent the same person because: Margaret de Savoie, the daughter of Thomas of Savoy, Count of Flanders and his second wife, Beatrice de Fieschi, married first Baldwin de Redvers, 7th Earl of Devon and secondly Robert de Aguillon (see The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 4, p. 320-321 https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/320/mode/2up)
posted by John Atkinson
Di Savoia-27 and Savoie-647 are not ready to be merged because: These two profiles do represent the same person, but there is also a third profile for this person and as they have the lower number for the LNAB of Savoie (Savoie-232), both of these profiles should be merged into that one.,
posted on Savoie-647 (merged) by John Atkinson
This may or may not be the same person as born 1245 and sometimes called Margaret. In that scenario, her mother can't be 65 at her birth. So, either the dates are wrong, or the placement is wrong, or perhaps there's a generation missing. That would explain a lot.
posted on Di Savoia-27 (merged) by Isaac Taylor
Hypothetically, for example, what if scribes glossed Thomas I vs Thomas II, and she's the same person as her notional niece, here:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Savoie-232

Note both dads Thomas, both moms Beatrix, both daughters Margaret.... down a generation from the tricky/implausible timeline for REDVERS & AGUILLON etc.

posted on Di Savoia-27 (merged) by Isaac Taylor
edited by Isaac Taylor
That would also re-place this Margaret b 1245 with Thomas III and Amadeus V both born in the 1240s... that is intuitively intriguing. Of course, no evidence. Just a hypothesis, as I try to ungarble this profile with her possible match.
posted on Di Savoia-27 (merged) by Isaac Taylor
Note this would also make her mother Beatrice di Fieschi, sister of Pope Adrian V, and niece of Innocent IV etc.
posted on Di Savoia-27 (merged) by Isaac Taylor
OK Wikipedia explicitly says Margaret (sometimes called Avita/Avoie), Countess of Devon, is the daughter of Thomas II:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_de_Redvers,_7th_Earl_of_Devon

We should get to the bottom of this. (There's a maternal line at stake, for many living descendants.)

posted on Di Savoia-27 (merged) by Isaac Taylor
Your right Isaac, there is a long discussion of the impossibility of Margaret/Avita being the daughter of the Thomas, Count of Savoy who died 1233, in The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 4, p. 320-321 https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/320/mode/2up and she must be the daughter of Thomas of Savoy, count of Flanders, and his second wife, Beatrix de Fieschi (CP gives her name as Fiesco)

I'm wondering if Avita/Avoie is actually a mistake and she is only called Margaret in primary sources?

posted on Di Savoia-27 (merged) by John Atkinson
Savoie-647 and Di Savoia-27 appear to represent the same person because: This Margaret who m. AGUILLON may be the same Savoyard as Avoie (Avita) who m. REDVERS of DEVON

Please review https://buist-keatch.org/buist/goring/9079.html and decide if it's evidenced.

posted on Di Savoia-27 (merged) by Isaac Taylor
See my comment re The Complete Peerage, vol. 4, above, and yes the Margaret who married Baldwin de Redvers, Earl of Devon, did marry secondly Robert Aguillon.

However as we already have a profile for Margaret de Savoie (Savoie-232) the daughter of Thomas II de Savoie, Count of Flanders, both of these two profiles should be merged into that one, as we are using Savoie as LNAB for this time period, and Savoie-232 is the lowest number.

posted on Di Savoia-27 (merged) by John Atkinson
https://buist-keatch.org/buist/goring/9079.html

Margaret de Savoie Marriage (1): Baldwin de Reviers Earl of Devon in 1257 Marriage (2): Sir Robert de Aguillon of Watton and Perching after 13 Jun 1269 1 Died: Bef 14 May 1292 1 Another name for Margaret was Avoie de Savoie.

posted on Savoie-647 (merged) by Isaac Taylor

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