John
Parmelee
aka Parmelin, Palmerye
Born before in Lewes, Sussex, England
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of
Anne (Howell) Parmelee
— married
about 15 May 1608 [location unknown]
Husband of
Hannah (Unknown) Parmelee
— married
1620 in England
Husband of
Elizabeth (Sheaffe) Evarts
— married
1653 (to 8 Nov 1659) in New Haven, Connecticut Colony
Descendants 
Died
after age 75
in Guilford, New Haven, Connecticut
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Uncertain Origins
A John Parmelee/Palmerye was christened August 30, 1584 at Lewes, Sussex, England. The christening record shows only a mother, "Palmerye", but no father was listed.[1]
He had been shown with parents John Parmelee I and Alice (Russell) Parmelee without any supporting sources. If these were his parents, it makes sense that only his mother would have been at the christening because his "father" John Parmelee was buried May 1, 1583 per source on his profile.
- Unsupported birth 27 Sep 1584 Lewes, Sussex, England. Note this date does not show up in any records at freereg.org, Ancestry, or Family Search as of July 2019
There is a baptism at All Saints Lewes John Parmerye ye son of widow Paremerye was baptised ye xxxth August 1584 [2]
Biography
John is listed as 55 years old on the passenger list of the St. John under Capt. Richard Russell, setting sail from London on 20 May 1639 and arriving July 10-15 at New Haven Colony. If other members of the family were aboard, they are not on the passenger list. John was among the signers of Guilford's Plantation Covenant on 1 June 1639. The village, just east of New Haven, was settled that fall. His home lot was at the north end of the Village Green, the site now occupied by the Congregational Church. He appeared at a New Haven hearing in 1647 to testify about a shoemaker's shoddy workmanship. John was voted a freeman on 22 May 1649. He and his family returned to New Haven where he was admitted as a freeman there on 8 August 1659.
Signer of the Plantation Covenant, June 1, 1639. [3]
Last Will and Testament of John Parmely
Unsigned and undated(date is at the top and difficult to read)[4]
Presented 2 Jan 1659 / 60 [4]
Estate inventoried at £ 78 13s on 3 Jan 1659 / 60
- Know all men by these presents, I John Parmely of Newhaven being very sicke in body but prfect in minde, doe Institute and ordaine this my last will and Testament in manner and forme following I doe give and bequeathe to my beloued wife Elizabeth Parmely my house-lott and all my whole Estate for her to enjoy and possesse without molestation during the whole time of her life.
- And after her decease I doe give and bequeath half of my house and lott to my sonne, John Parmile of Guilford, the other half, one quarter to my Grandchild Nathaniel Parmile, the sonne of John Parmile of Guilford. And the other quarter part I give to my wife to dispose to her sonne, Stephen, if she see cause and for those goods whch shall be left at the dease my will is that my daughter Hannah Johnson the wife of John Johnson of Newhaven, and her dauter Ellen Allan ye wife of John Allen of Newhaven, should have ye greater part equally divided betwixt them and what doth remain I doe leave to her discretion to dispose as she pleaseth.
Research Notes
Wives
See comments below for more details:
According to Smyth, R. D. "Descendants of John Parmelee" The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. [3]
- John Parmelee married first in England Hannah ___ who died by 1650. He married second Elizabeth ( ) Bradley, Nov 8, 1653, at Guilford, Connecticut.
According to Jim Walter's "The Family Parmelee " web site (no sources provided)
- Records show he had at least five wives and 13 children, only three of whom are known to have survived to adulthood.
Possible marriages:
- Anne (Howell) Parmelee on 15 May 1608 in All Saints, Lewes, Sussex, England.[5][6]
- Elizabeth (Holter) Parmelee[7]
- Joane (Cobden) Parmelee[8]
- John married Hanna Willbur on 29 April 1630 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England.[9] Hannah died in about 1634 and was buried on 20 February 1634 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England.[10]
Sources
- ↑ England, Sussex, Parish Registers, 1538-1910, database, FamilySearch : 7 December 2017), John Parmerye, 1584. FamilySearch Link
- ↑ Baptism: "England, Sussex, Parish Registers, 1538-1910", database, FamilySearch Record: KFG8-245, FamilySearch Image: S3HT-6PX3-477 Image number 301,
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 (Genealogies Connecticut Families) Vol. 2 P. 24
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 “New Haven Probate Records, Vol. 1-2, 1647-1703”, database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L92K-G9N5-2 : 5 March 2021), New Haven, Connecticut, FHL microfilm 007626739, image 55. New Haven Probate Record, 1647-1687, Vol. 1, Part 1, page 86.
- ↑ Marriage: "England, Sussex, Parish Registers, 1538-1910", database, FamilySearch Record: KFG8-2MF, FamilySearch Image: S3HT-6PX3-DSX Image number 327
- ↑ "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812". East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers Ancestry Sharing Link (free access); Ancestry Record 62049 #2453764 ($), John Parmelie married Anne Howell on May 15, 1608, in Lewes, Sussex, England.
- ↑ "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812". East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers Ancestry Sharing Link (free access); Ancestry Record 62049 #2478406 ($), John Parmeley married Elizabeth Holter on June 1, 1635, in Lewes, Sussex, England.
- ↑ "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812" East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers Ancestry Sharing Link (free access); Ancestry Record 62049 #2478453 ($), John Parmelle married Joane Cobden on April 3, 1638, in Lewes, Sussex, England.
- ↑ "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812". East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Ancestry Sharing Link (free access); Ancestry Record 62049 #2478369 ($), John Parmely married Hanna Willbur on April 29, 1630, in Lewes, Sussex, England.
- ↑ "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812". East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers. Ancestry Sharing Link (free access); Ancestry Record 62049 #2477923 ($), Hanna Parmely burial (died in about 1634) on 20 Feb 1634 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England.
- Genealogies of Connecticut Families (Genealogical Publishing Co., 1983) (republish of The Descendants of John Parmelee, R.D. Smyth. The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume LIII, 1899.)
- Smyth, R. D. "Descendants of John Parmelee" The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1847-. (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001-2013.) Reference Volume 53 (1899), pages 405-6 (same as above)
- Bradley of Essex County, early records, from 1643 to 1746 (1915), Peters, Eleanor Bradley Page 178
- Ancestors of American Presidents, by Gary Boyd Roberts, Publisher: New England Historic Genealogical Society; Location: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA; Date: 2009
- "Early Probate Records of New Haven" The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1847-. (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001-2013.) Reference Volume 81 (1927), page 130
- Sumner, Edith Bartlett Ancestry and descendants of Amaziah Hall and Betsey Baldwin, published 1954. Reference page 145
- Sumner, Edith. Ancestry and Descendants of Amaziah Hall and Betsey Baldwin (American Offset Printers, Los Angeles, 1954) HathiTrust.
- Baptism of John Parmerye image on UK Ancestry
Acknowledgements
Brian McCullough; Kennon Edwards; Ed Ettel.
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Categories: Guilford Covenant | Uncertain Spouse | Puritan Great Migration
What can we do to resolve this Warning 420?
I am able to trace the Parmelee-32/Howell-325 parentage/marriage claims to Jim Walters, and perhaps others, "England to Connecticut: The First Generations" in "The Family Parmelee"; web content, The Family Parmelee, viewed 22 January 2023 (last updated 29 March 2021).
Walters' research about the area of Lewes is worthy, but the associated genealogical claims are mostly based on parish records and not above dispute. The site identifies our immigrant as the son of John Parmelee (____-1583) and Alice Russell. (Surely otherwise the detached WikiTree parents.) In theory, Alice would otherwise be the "widow Paremerye" we report about in the 1584 baptismal record.
The Family Parmelee site continues--referring to various parish records--claiming our immigrant married five (5) times--1608 [about age 24], 1630 [about age 46], 1635 [about age 51], 1638 [about age 54] and 1653 [about age 69]--and by the first four wives, became the father of 13 children, "only three of whom are known to have survived to adulthood." I reviewed the work swiftly, but did not note common evidence supporting proof of the wives' LNAB (wills/court records); the site claims burial dates for the first three wives.
It is not impossible for a man to have married five (5) times, but such would be rare. Based solely on date clusters, these marriages could be about at least three different men named John. (See Ann Browning's comment, "It looks like there are two John Parmaleys floating around Lewes …")
To the point of the question--what collaborative approach should we take to resolve this Warning 420?
In any event, seems it might be a good idea to create a research notes page that would consolidate historical evidence and the various "disputed" claims on the associated and/or severed profiles, with some summary of the same posted as research notes on the related profiles.
What do we think? Is there a way forward to resolve the Warning?--Gene
edited by GeneJ X
The warning error is specifically because of son John. So it may not be necessary to address all the information in order to reconcile the parent issue. (Although daughter Mary currently has no mother attached).
As the The Family Parmelee site is already there making more "assertive" claims, I think we can offer something by being more conservative. In these situations, it can be difficult to pull out what we know for certain.
Maybe a list of certain children on the profile is a place to start? There are quite a few profile managers. It would be great to have someone connected to this family involved in developing the profile.
Ann
I'll keep looking.
Ann
Ann
edited by Traci Thiessen
Ann
Ann
John, son of John Parmely & Elizabeth Parmely, was baptised on 30 August 1637 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England.<ref> Baptism: "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"
East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 62049 #2477999 (accessed 17 December 2022)
John Parmely baptism on 30 Aug 1637, son of John Parmely & Elizabeth Parmely, in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England. </ref>
Hanna, daughter of John Parmely, was baptised on 30 May 1632 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England.<ref> Baptism: "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"
East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 62049 #2477823 (accessed 17 December 2022)
Hanna Parmely baptism on 30 May 1632, daughter of John Parmely, in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England. </ref>
Ann
Marriage: "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"
East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 62049 #2453764 (accessed 16 December 2022)
John Parmelie marriage to Anne Howell on 15 May 1608 in Lewes, All Saints, Sussex, England. </ref>
Marriage: "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"
East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 62049 #2478406 (accessed 16 December 2022)
John Parmeley marriage to Elizabeth Holter on 1 Jun 1635 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England. </ref>
and her death:
Elizabeth died in about 1637 and was buried on 1 September 1637 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England.<ref> Burial: "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"
East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 62049 #2478001 (accessed 16 December 2022)
Elizabeth Parmely burial (died in about 1637) on 1 Sep 1637 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England. </ref>
edited by Ann Browning
Marriage: "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"
East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 62049 #2478453 (accessed 16 December 2022)
John Parmelle marriage to Joane Cobden on 3 Apr 1638 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England. </ref>
Marriage: "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"
East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 62049 #2478369 (accessed 16 December 2022)
John Parmely marriage to Hanna Willbur on 29 Apr 1630 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England. </ref>
and her death:
Hanna died in about 1634 and was buried on 20 February 1634 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England.<ref> Burial: "East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"
East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 62049 #2477923 (accessed 16 December 2022)
Hanna Parmely burial (died in about 1634) on 20 Feb 1634 in Lewes, St Michael, Sussex, England. </ref>
edited by Ann Browning
According to the site (link shown below), all of John's children were by his first wife who died in February 1629. Currently, the children shown have two different mothers and one unknown mother. If we add John's parents, then do we then add other information from the Parmelee Family site as well? I see no sources in the site to support his first wife Anne Howell, but it could be true
John Parmerye bp 30 August 1584 All Saints, Lewes, Sussex, England "England, Sussex, Parish Registers, 1538-1910", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFG8-245 : 7 December 2017), John Parmerye, 1584.
There is also marriage record for John Parmalee to Anne Howell 15 May 1608 in Lewes, Sussex, England. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PX3-DSX?cc=1465706
Certainly the source for the claims, but since his Great Migration Directory entry says origins unknown, I'm not sure that's enough to identify the Sussex man as the immigrant. Is anyone interested in doing more research on this?
http://www.thefamilyparmelee.com/faq-conn1.html#johnsr
They reference, without full citations, parish records and note that the family disappears from the parish records around the time John emigrated. So this could be accurate. What do we need to bring back the baptism and parents ?
http://www.thefamilyparmelee.com/faq-conn1.html#johnsr
They reference, without full citations, parish records and note that the family disappears from the parish records around the time John emigrated. So this could be accurate. What do we need to bring back the baptism and parents ?