Joseph Orme, son of Samuel Orme and Elizabeth Riley, was born in Denby, Derbyshire, England in about 1821-1822.
Joseph and Emily Green married by banns in Denby on 9 September 1845. Joseph was a 23-year-old collier, Emily was 19. Witnesses were Richard Orme and Elizabeth Orme.[1][2][3] Their first child was born in October 1842. The couple went on to have 13 children, six died in infancy; five lived to adulthood, married, and had children.
Joseph, Emily, and six of their children immigrated to the United States in 1863 aboard the ship Amazon departing 2 June 1863 in the care of George Quayle Cannon, licensed passenger broker for the church. The family paid ₤35 s4 at Islington, Liverpool for a Contract Ticket.[4]
The crossed the plains by ox team. Four of their children died en route to Zion. It is unknown which immigrant company they travel with in 1863. The family farmed in Box Elder County, where they lived the rest of their lives.
Citizen Joseph Orme
Joseph Orme became a citizen on 19 July 1871 in Box Elder County, Utah Territory.
Death & Burial
Joseph, 85 and widowed, died of dropsy in 1904 in Box Elder County, Utah.[5][6] He, his wife, and four children are buried in Calls Fort Cemetery, Box Elder County, Utah.
↑Marriage:
"England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973"
England, Marriages, 1538-1973. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013; FHL Film Number: 498059, 942.51 D2 V26D Ancestry Record 9852 #16997177 (accessed 12 November 2022)
Joseph Orme (23) marriage to Emma Green on 9 Sep 1845 in Denby, Derby, England.
↑
"Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932"
Derbyshire Record Office; Matlock, Derbyshire, England; Diocese: Diocese of Derby; Reference Number: D 1428 A/PI 9 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry uk Record 61409 #3300841 (accessed 6 August 2024)
Joseph Orme (23), son of Saml Orme, marriage to Emma Green on 9 Sep 1845 in Denby, Derbyshire, England.
↑Marriage (including original source image):
"England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1537-1918"
citing Digital film/folder number: 004452023_007_M98G-3N3; FHL microfilm: 1041445; Image number: 18; Packet letter: A; Indexing batch: V01778-7
FamilySearch Record: KBDT-1T6 (accessed 14 August 2024) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77XT-2P6D
Joseph Orme (23), son of Saml Orme, marriage to Emma Green (19), daughter of Joseph Green, on 9 Sep 1845 in Denby, Denby, Derbyshire, England.
↑Mormon Pioneer:
"Utah, U.S., Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Records, 1847-1868"
Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868. Salt Lake City, UT, USA: FamilySearch, 2020 Ancestry Record 62414 #53062 (accessed 9 November 2022)
Name: Joseph Orme; Gender: Male; Birth Date: 4 Mar 1819; Record Type: Arrival; Departure Date: 1863; Arrival Date: 1863; Arrival Place: Deseret, United States; Death Date: 29 Apr 1904; Business Name: Company Unknown.
London to New York
↑Death:
"Utah, U.S., Death and Military Death Certificates, 1904-1961"
Utah State Archives; Salt Lake City, Utah; Series Number: 81448 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 9174 #27388 (accessed 9 November 2022)
Joseph Orme death 29 Apr 1904 (age 85), son of Samuel Orme & Elizabeth Orme, in Box Elder, Utah, USA.
↑Obituary:
"Utah, Obituaries from Utah Newspapers, 1850-2005"
citing Box Elder News, The University of Utah. J. Willard Marriott Library, Salt Lake City
FamilySearch Record: QVSF-FY4C (accessed 14 August 2024)
FamilySearch Image: 3QSQ-G9KV-NYNS Image number 00597
Name: Joseph Orme; Obituary Date: 05 May 1904; Obituary Place: Utah, United States; Birth Date: 04 Mar; Birth Place: Denby, Derbyshire, England; Death Date: 28 Apr 1904; Age: 85; Dasverify: 11-AUG-14; Source Newspaper: Box Elder News; Relationship To Head: Deceased.
↑1841 Census:
"1841 England Census"
Class HO107, Piece 188, Book 12, Civil Parish Barrow Upon Trent, County Derbyshire, Enumeration District 11, Folio 39, Page 11, Line 11, GSU roll 241292 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry uk Record 8978 #878240 (accessed 14 November 2023)
Joseph Orme (19) in Barrow Upon Trent in Belper registration district in Derbyshire, England. Born in Derbyshire, England.
↑1851 Census:
"1851 England Census"
Class: HO107; Piece: 2147; Folio: 208; Page: 31; GSU roll: 87779-87780; ED, institution, or vessel: 8a; Household Schedule Number: 121 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 8860 #10510343 (accessed 12 November 2022)
Joseph Orme (30) head of household on Clay Lane in Chesterfield registration district in Derbyshire, England. Born in Denbigh, Derbyshire, England.
↑1861 Census:
"1861 England Census"
Class: RG 9; Piece: 2530; Folio: 43; Page: 33; GSU roll: 542985; ED, institution, or vessel: 19; Household schedule number: 169 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 8767 #22456850 (accessed 12 November 2022)
Joseph Orme (41) head of household in Newbold and Dunston in Chesterfield registration district in Derbyshire, England. Born in Denby, Derbyshire, England.
↑1870 Census:
"1870 United States Federal Census"
Year: 1870; Census Place: Box Elder, Box Elder, Utah Territory; Roll: M593_1610; Page: 85B Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 7163 #14624138 (accessed 12 November 2022)
Joseph Orm (54), Farmer, in Box Elder, Box Elder, Utah Territory. Born in England.
↑1880 Census:
"1880 United States Federal Census"
Year: 1880; Census Place: Calls Fort, Box Elder, Utah; Roll: 1335; Page: 91D; Enumeration District: 006 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 6742 #20210880 (accessed 12 November 2022)
Joseph Orme (60), married, Farmer, head of household in Calls Fort, Box Elder, Utah, USA. Born in England.
↑ "England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1537-1918", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBDT-1T6 : Sat Jul 20 17:03:31 UTC 2024), Entry for Joseph Orme and Saml Orme, 9 Sep 1845
↑1900 Census:
"1900 United States Federal Census"
Year: 1900; Census Place: Honeyville, Box Elder, Utah; Roll: 1682; Page: 3; Enumeration District: 0204; FHL microfilm: 1241682 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 7602 #61663432 (accessed 12 November 2022)
Joseph Orme (81), married, Farmer, head of household in Honeyville, Box Elder, Utah. Born in England.
Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8970960/joseph-orme: accessed 9 November 2022), memorial page for Joseph Orme (4 Mar 1819–29 Apr 1904), Find A Grave: Memorial #8970960, citing Calls Fort Cemetery, Honeyville, Box Elder County, Utah, USA; Maintained by has2beshasta (contributor 46610269).
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From the evidence we have, I think it is probable that Joseph was born on 4 March 1822. My reasoning is a follows:
• The baptism record could relate to a different Joseph Orme. I have not been able to see the source document but the transcriptions do not specifically mention Denby as Joseph's place of residence. Denby was in the Belper district according to https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/2353, so the record could be correct but the 7 year variance in birth date must cause us to question it.
• In the 1941 Census, it appears as though the adults ages have been rounded but the children (including Joseph, age 19) have not. Therefore, according to this data, on 6 June 1841, Joseph was 19. His birth year was therefore 1821-1822.
• At his marriage on 9 September 1845, his age was given as 23. This again gives a birth year of 1821-1822.
• Later records are not consistent, but all give an earlier birth year. This could be explained by a, not uncommon, tendency to exaggerate his age.
• The death certificate gives his age as 85 on 29 April 1904, giving a birth year of 1818-1819. The Find a Grave record gives his birth date as 4 March 1819.
• If the burial record is correct in recording his birthday as 4 March, then according to the death records he was born in 1819. However according to the 1841 Census and his marriage record his birth year would have been 1822.
• Unfortunately, with the evidence we have, we cannot be certain, but I suggest that it is probable that the 1841 Census and the marriage record are the most likely to be correct. I conclude that Joseph was probably born on 4 March 1822.
At this time, I have been unable to find any further sources to verify or disprove this theory.
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• The baptism record could relate to a different Joseph Orme. I have not been able to see the source document but the transcriptions do not specifically mention Denby as Joseph's place of residence. Denby was in the Belper district according to https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/2353, so the record could be correct but the 7 year variance in birth date must cause us to question it.
• In the 1941 Census, it appears as though the adults ages have been rounded but the children (including Joseph, age 19) have not. Therefore, according to this data, on 6 June 1841, Joseph was 19. His birth year was therefore 1821-1822.
• At his marriage on 9 September 1845, his age was given as 23. This again gives a birth year of 1821-1822.
• Later records are not consistent, but all give an earlier birth year. This could be explained by a, not uncommon, tendency to exaggerate his age.
• The death certificate gives his age as 85 on 29 April 1904, giving a birth year of 1818-1819. The Find a Grave record gives his birth date as 4 March 1819.
• If the burial record is correct in recording his birthday as 4 March, then according to the death records he was born in 1819. However according to the 1841 Census and his marriage record his birth year would have been 1822.
• Unfortunately, with the evidence we have, we cannot be certain, but I suggest that it is probable that the 1841 Census and the marriage record are the most likely to be correct. I conclude that Joseph was probably born on 4 March 1822.
At this time, I have been unable to find any further sources to verify or disprove this theory.
edited by Chris Orme