Nigel (Mowbray) de Mowbray
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Nigel (Mowbray) de Mowbray (abt. 1146 - abt. 1191)

Sir Nigel "Nele" de Mowbray formerly Mowbray
Born about in Yorkshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 45 in Siege Of Acre, Holy Landmap
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European Aristocracy
Sir Nigel Mowbray was a member of the aristocracy in England.

Nigel's wife is NOT known for certain. All that is known is her first name was Mabel. According to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, she was "probably the daughter of William de Patri" (William FitzPatrick (c 1122) who married Eleanor de Maniers). The Project MedLands site states, "A manuscript record of the Mowbray family (many of the details in which relating to the early generations of the family are inconsistent with other sources) states that “filius Rogeri de Molbray primogenitus…Nigellus de Molbray” married “filiam Edmondi comitis de Clara…Mabillam”[1], but her supposed father has not been identified from other sources."

Until further evidence is forthcoming, his wife and mother of his children should be considered unknown.

Biography

Nigel was born about 1146. Nigel de Mowbray ... He passed away about 1191.

Nigil de Mowbray, who attended amongst the barons, in the 1st Richard I, at the solemn coronation of that monarch [1189]; in the 3rd of the same reign, assuming the cross, set out for Palestine but died upon his journey.

Sources

  1. Dugdale Monasticon VI, Newburgh Abbey, Yorkshire, VI, Progenies Moubraiorum, hujus Abbatiæ Fundatorum, p. 320.




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Royal Ancestry page 178 in volume IV states that Nele de Mowbray of Thirsk, Yorkshire and wife Mabel (no surname) are the parents of William de Mowbray.
posted by Kim Goforth
Could this be Néel, not Nele? There's a lot of Néels upstread in the St-Saveur/Aubigny families, right? They become Nigels in England over time, I believe.
posted by Isaac Taylor
Probably Thirsk, Yorkshire? Dating back to L'Aigles, right?
posted by Isaac Taylor
How can this man be a Wikitree "Notable" and yet 90% of his bio is about the uncertain identity of his wife?

Also, respectfully, please suppress or remove the Acknowledgements from the front page of his bio. These don't belong here. ALL of that information exists in the edit history (Changes tab) of every page on Wikitree; and per style policy, we should no longer be spamming 6 column inches of GED acknowledgements, right?

Frankly, for a notable, what I see here is one undated source, some random internet stuff (which does not qualify as contemporary primary sources) and basically no real bio. And a cribbing from Cawley, which some anonymous Wikitree user has boldface discredited rather than doing the braver thing and disconnecting the information they feel is invalid. This ain't great!

What little bio there is in the Biography section appears to be largely an unsourced (i.e plagarized) quote which directly contradicts our bio's assertion that he died during the Siege of Acre in 1191. So, which is it? And what IS the source (that we're verbatim quoting, without quotation marks, sourcing or even naming) saying he died "upon his journey" ?

If he's a Notable, he deserves better.

posted by Isaac Taylor
"Holy Land" is not an appropriate country name. Acre was then in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. IF he died in (the siege of) Acre in 1191, then he died in Jerusalem.
posted by Isaac Taylor
He wouldn't have died in Israel. The country, Israel, came to be in 1948.
posted by John Appleby
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