Joan (Foliot) Venables (1304 - 1349)

Born 1304 in Melbury Turbeville, Dorset, England

Ancestors

Wife of Nicholas Percy — married 1312 (to 6 Aug 1324) in Kildale,Ingleby Greenhow, North Riding, Yorkshire, England

Descendants

Died 11 Feb 1349 at about age 45 in Nantwich, Cheshire, England

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Biography

Marriages

Married

1. Nicholas Percy and had issue.
2. John Mautravers and had issue.
3. Alexander de Veneables.^[1]

Property

At Wich Malbank [Nantwich, Cheshire], in 22 Edward III [25 January 1348-24 January 1349], a covenant was made between Monsieur Alexander de Venables and Johanne his wife on the one hand and Nicholas de Hac'uston [Haukeston or Hawkeston] on the other hand, in the manors of Newsall Aston & Cowell for the term of three years.^[2]

Research Notes

Excerpt from Joan Brewes
Madden, Bandinel, and Nichols in an article in Collectanea Topographica Et Genealogica concluded that a Joan Foliot and John Mautravers had the following daughters,

1. Joan the wife of Ralph Warren and Alan Cheney,
2. Alice the wife of Thomas de Rodburgh and John Browning, and
3. Elizabeth the wife of Roger Folville and William Latimer.
   

They also concluded that, after the death of John Mautravers, Joan Foliot had then married Alexander Venables from whom there was no issue. However, they were unsure of whether there was any relationship between this Joan Foliot, and Joan Foliot-41 the wife of Nicholas Percy and their children. Indeed, Madden et al make no mention of a Peter de Brewes at all.

But F.N. Craig in a latter paper correctly identifies that this Joan Foliot had successively married Nicholas Percy, John Mautravers, and Alexander Venables. He also cites evidence that Joan Foliot and Nicholas Percy had a daughter named Joan (Percy) who married Peter de Brewes (Braose) of Wiston. In a still latter article he reports that Joan Foliot by her marriage with John Mautravers had also the following children Alice, Elizabeth, and Joan. Though F.N. Craig cites no evidence for this Joan Mautravers. Complete Peerage makes a similar conclusion to F.N. Craig that John Mautravers and Joan Foliot had three children, Alice, Joan, and Elizabeth. In this regard, Complete Peerage cites a Cheshire inquisition post mortem and Hutchins, but note his accounts are discrepant and are obviously incomplete.^[3]

Sources

1. ↑ Collectanea Topographica Et Genealogica, Volume 6, p. 339.
2. ↑ John Paul Rylands, ed., The Visitation of Cheshire in the Year 1580 Made by Robert Glover, Somerset Herald, for William Flower, Norroy King of Arms, with Numerous Additions and Continuations, Including Those from the Visitation of Cheshire Made in the Year 1566, by the Same Herald. With an Appendix, Containing the Visitation of a Part of Cheshire in the Year 1533, Made by William Fellows, Lancaster Herald, for Thomas Benolte, Clarenceux King of Arms. And a Fragment of the Visitation of the City of Chester in the Year 1591, Made by Thomas Chaloner, Deputy to the Office of Arms, (London: Harleian Society, XVIII, 1882), 92. e-book Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/visitationofches00glov/page/92/mode/1up : accessed 1 March, 2023). Pedigree: Egerton.
3. ↑ Paul Walton Mackenzie, "The Maternity of John and Beatrix de Brewes," (The author, 2017. Original? 2014 snapshot Internet Archive Wayback Machine), Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/joanpercy/mode/1up : accessed 18 February, 2023).

• Proceedings of the Dorset Natural History and Antiquarian Field Club, Volume 28. By Dorset Natural History and Archaeological Society
• Collectanea Topographica Et Genealogica, Volume 6. edited by Frederic Madden, Bulkeley Bandinel, John Gough Nichols