Private William Dye served with Halifax County Militia, Virginia Militia during the American Revolution.
Daughters of the American Revolution, DAR Genealogical Research Databases, database online, (http://www.dar.org/ : accessed 11 Mar 2017), "Record of William Dye", Ancestor # A133023.
William Dye migrated from Virginia to Kentucky.
William Dye (b. March 10, 1746/47, d. Abt. 1823)[citation needed]
William Dye (son of Jacob Dye and Mary Randolph)19 was born March 10, 1746/47 in Halifax County, VA19, and died Abt. 1823 in Pulaski County, Kentucky19.[citation needed]
"William is named in the will of James Randolph as his son-in-law. William was given 300 acres on Dan River by his father, Jacob on Oct 18, 1770, recorded in Deed book 8, page 97 in Halifax Co., VA.[1] There is no indication that this Jacob was William's father; Pike-2301 (5th Gr. Grandson) states on another profile that Jacob was actually William's uncle and wasn't that much older than William.
Your Dye family as far as I can tell is in their booklets as Branch #33 from Jacob (b. ca 1700 VA) had son William (b. 1747 Halifax Co, VA; d. 1823 Pulaski Co. Ky).[citation needed]
m/1 Halifax Co.Va to Randolph (d/o James Jr and Mary Randolph) [citation needed]
He sired 18 children as far as I can tell. Six children by 1st marriage: Margaret Peggy b. 1770 Halifax Co. VA; d. 22 Feb 1833 m. 28 Dec 1796[citation needed]:
Obediah Phelps
Sarah Sally b 1772
Anna b 1776
Deliah b 16 Feb1779
Shadrick b. 1782 Halifax Co VA m. 26 Nov 1802 Ellen Weley.
Katherine b 1788 Halifax Co VA.
Hope this helps you. If not right family please let me know. Peggy is sometimes a nickname for Margaret.[2]
Hazel DICK SMITH sent me a photocopy of a typed page:
"DYE, William (Sarah Gordon Dye Reynolds, former widow). [number illegible]. 17 Nov. 1849. Pulaski Co., Ky. Sarah Reynolds of said county, aged 67, declares her maiden name was Sarah Gordon. She resided in Caswell Co., NC, and thereon 16 June, 1798 was married to William Dye by Archd. Samuel, a justice of the peace.
She had a memorandum of her marriage in a Bible but she gave the Bible to one of her sons who moved to Missouri and she supposes he took it with him. William Dye died in 1823. After that she married Matthew Reynolds, and he died six years ago last December.[3]
William is listed with the 6th Virginia Regiment of the Continental Line, also a William Dye is listed as being in the Halifax Militia, Va "stated in Faye Cornetts Book "[4]
William Dye stated he resided in Halifax Co., VA., and was in Gen. Greene's army and in the battle of Guilford. She thinks his captain's name at that battle was Thompson. She heard him speak of the battle of Brandywine but does not remember whether he was in that battle himself. He and John Yeates talked about the scenes of that battle as if they were both eye witnesses. Pike-2301
He described the place where the battle commenced as being in an old field here an old apple orchard had been turned out and that there were gullies or drains where the battle was fought, that ran with blood as the water would after a shower of rain.
He said in the service, he performed in augmenting Gen. Greene's army. He was engaged about two weeks in marching through the country to Gen. Greene and then at night was marched back into the country to obtain more recruits. Pike-2301
At the battle of Guilford his captain (Thompson) was killed and his colonel was badly wounded, shot through the thigh. She saw his discharge and a printed paper which purported to be his oath of allegiance. These two papers were burned. The night before they started from North Carolina to Kentucky her husband had a friend helping him to examine his) papers. They saved all the papers they thought would be of value to him and when they came to his discharge and oath of allegiance it was said he had better save them, but he said, No, he had kept them about twenty-five years and they never done him any good and they were cast into the fire with other useless papers. Pike-2301
He stated he was at the siege of Yorktown at the close of the war. They Labored twenty-odd days and nights carrying forward the entrenchments. Washington wrote a deceptive Letter designed to fall into the hands of the British and started the officer with it and the British took him prisoner and examined the letter and were deceived by it as Washington designed. The deception is unknown. Pike-2301
Her husband was present at the surrender of Cornwallis and saw that officer came out and surrender his sword to Washington. He said Cornwallis walked up to where Washington stood and struck his sword in the ground near Washington. Washington took the sword and turned it about and looked at it and then handed it back to Cornwallis again. Pike-2301
She resides ten miles from the Court House of her county and cannot go to the Courth House. She is afflicted with phthysick. 18 Aug. 1851. Pulaski Co., Ky Shaderach (X) Dye of said county, aged 69, declares he was present at the house of Polly Randal in Caswell Co., N.C. in June 1799 when the marriage ceremony was performed of William Dye to Sarah Gordin. Pike-2301
She afterward married Matthew Reynolds. The ceremony was performed by a justice of the peace, Archd. Samuels. The affiant was a son of William Dye and heard him speak of his services in the Revolutionary War and recollects that the captain who commanded him at the battle of Guilford... (end of copy)."[5]
B: ca. 1747
D:
P: Muddy Creek, Stafford Co., VA
M: BEF. 1770
P: Edgecombe, NC
D: 1823 B:
P: Pulaski Co., KY
More About William Dye:
Date born 2: 1747, Halifax Co., Virginia.
Died 2: Abt. 1823, Pulaski Co. Ky.
More About William Dye & Rebecca Ann "Polly" Randolph:
2Sarah Sally Dye b. 1774, d. Pulaski Co,. Ky. (married Ambrose Phelps)
3Anna J. (Polly) Dye b.abt1783 (married Larkin Phelps)
4Delilah Dye (married Robert Robin Wesley)
b. February 15, 1779, Caswell Co. NC, d. November 18, 1858,
5Shadrack Dye b. 1782, Halifax Co., Virginia, d. Bet. 1830 - 1840, Pulaski Co., :Kentucky. (married Elinor McClara Wesley)
6Katherine Dye (married Moses Black)
Disputed Middle Name
This researcher has never found Pvt. William's middle name. He reportedly had no middle name.
Wm Dye Jr was born in Halifax County Virginia & married to ? Probably Rebeccah Randolph around 1769 in Virginia. This was a daughter of James Randolph Sr. Her first name has been disputed. She probably died in Caswell Co., North Carolina in 1797. William’s first wife was a daughter of James Randolph Sr. Pike-2301
James Randolph Sr. mentioned Wm Dye as his son-in-law in his Will dated in 1797 Caswell Co NC. James Randolph Sr. also married William Dye's sister, Mary. Mary moved to Pulaski County Kentucky after her husband James' death. There is no record of her remarrying.
William Dye is also listed as being in the Halifax Co Va. Militia. Pike-2301
In November 1795 Wm Dye Jr sold land in Halifax Co Va, This land transfer was in a Casswell Co, N.C. Deed book James Randolph Sr was a witness. Wm Jr most likely living in Casswell Co at this time. (1)
William Dye married a second wife Sally Sarah Gordon in Caswell Co NC on 6 June 1798 by Archibald Samuel J O P. Sarah was 17 at this time. She had a memo in her bible of this marriage and later gave it to one of her sons that later went to Missouri. This day is being used as it is her first recollection and no marriage record has been found to date.
Widow's Pension Applications
His 2nd wife Sally applied for his pension many times & one time she took Shadrach, her stepson along once with an affidavit stating their proofs & listing his Commanding Officer. Then she took friends that knew her in Caswell County N. C. Some of this information was passed to Shadrach by his father William. He remembered his father burning his military records in Virginia before they moved to Pulaski County Ky. through the Cumberland Gap. William saying that they would no longer be of any use. He may have burned his marriage certificate also. William's family moved along with several Randolph members around 1808.
When Sally Gorden Dye Reynolds appears in court on her applications for Pension she doesn't have her marriage certificate & can't remember her wedding date.
Many young women were marrying old widowed soldiers because of their pensions. The Federal Government stopped many women from receiving their dead husbands pensions due to these marriages. Pike-2301 hasn't found a pension payments, only applications for Pvt William Dye. Many researchers stated he received his pension but Sally Gordon Dye didn't receive any money that this researcher has found.
William told Shadrack that he was present on the open field, at Yorktown when Cornwallis surrendered his sword. (Cornwallis' 2nd in command actually surrendered it).
American Rev War: 6th Virginia Regiment - Continental Line - Rev War Pension #8719 Application Pike-2301
LDS Records show Wm Dye as being the son of Jacob Dye Sr. Many researchers disagree with this stating that: Wm was not mentioned in the Will of Mary Dye giving up the right of her dower on 6 Jan 1789 in Halifax Co Va. (2) Listed as receiving lands from her deceased husband Jacob Dye were Jacob Jr, Henry, Abraham, John and Isaac. Researchers speculate that he was not listed as a son due to the fact that Jacob gave 300 acres on The Dan River, to William on 18 Oct. 1770 and that he had already sold the land. (4)
William was listed in the book Heads of Household Va 1782-1792 (tax lists) with 9 members in the household. One dwelling Halifax Co Va page 90
William Dye is listed in the 6th Va. Regiment of The Continental Line. (3).
[page] (1) Declaration of Sarah Reynolds In Order to obtain the benefits of the act of Congress of the 7th of July 1838 and the several acts amendatory thereto.
State of Kentucky,Pulaski, County S.S.
On this 17th day of November 1849 personally appeared before me George Adams a Justice of the Peace for the County of Pulaski and State of Kentucky Sarah Reynolds a resident of said County aged 67 years who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on her Oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress of July 7th 1838 and the several amendatory acts thereto: viz;
That she is now a Widow. Her maiden name was Sarah Gorden. She then resided in Caswell County in the state of North Carolina. On the 6th of June in the year 1798 in said County of Caswell in the State of North Carolina she was in due form of law married to William Dye. she was married by one Arch'd Samuel a Justice of the Peace for said County of Caswell she has not in her possession the record of the Marriage. She had some years ago a Memorandum kept in a Bible of her marriage with said Dye but she gave that Bible to one of her sons who moved to Missouri and she supposes took it with him - she cannot now procure it.
[page] (2) She continued to be the wife of said William Dye until his death which took place in the year 1823. after that she married Matthew Reynolds, and he died six years ago last December and she is now a widow.
She states from her best information and which she verily believes to be true her first husband the said William Dye was engaged in the actual service of the U. States as a private in her Army during the Revolutionary war with England in all more than three years - From her recollection of what he stated about it in his life time for the two years next preceeding the close of that war he was in the Service all the time. he resided //in// before and after the war in Halifax County in the state of Virginia. she has often heard him tell about the adventures of his Service in said War She recollects hearing him state he was in General Greene's army, and was in the Battle of Guilford. She thinks his Captain's name was Thompson at the time of that Battle. She does not now recollect any more of his officers names. She has heard him speak of the Battle of Brandywyne but she does not remember certainly whether he was in that Battle himself or not. She recollects hearing him and another Revolutionary soldier once talking about the Battle of Brandywyne - towit- a Mr John Yeates and they both talked about the scenes of that Battle as if they were both eye-
[page] (3) -witnesses to what took place. she remembers they described the place where the Battle commenced as being in an old field where an old apple orchard had been turned out and that there were gullies or streams where the blody Battle was fought that run with blood as the water would after a shower of rain.
She remembers to have heard her husband (Wm Dye) tell about the service he performed in augmenting Gen'l Greenes army he said he was engaged about two weeks in marching through the Country to Gen Greene and then at night he was marched back into the country to obtain more recruits. this was before the battle of Guilford. at the Battle of Guilford his Captain (Thompson) was Killed, and his Colonel was badly wounded - shot through the thigh.
Her husband the said William Dye was honourably discharged at the close of the war. She recollects to have seen his discharge - as also a printed paper which purported to be his oath of Allegiance these two papers were burned under the following circumstances - The night before they started to move from North Carolina to Kentucky her said husband had a friend helping him to examine his papers. they said all the papers they thought would ever be of any service or value to him they would save and all that was considered useless they would burn, and in assorting out his papers when they come to his discharge
[page] (4) and Oath of Allegiance it was said he had better save them. And he said no, he had kept them about 25 years and they never had done him any good and they were then cast into the fire with other useless papers.
She recollects hearing him state he was at the Siege of Yorktown at the close of the war and aided in taking that place he said they labourd twenty odd days and nights carrying forward the intrenchments and that Washington wrote a deceptive letter designed to fall into the hands of the British and stated [started?] the officer with it and the British took him prisoner and examined the letter and were deceived by it as Washington designed.
Her husband stated he was present after the surrender of Cornwallis and saw that officer come out and surrender his sword to Washington. He said Cornwallis walked up to where Washington stood and stuck his sword in the ground near Washington. Washington took the sword and turned it about and looked at it and then handed it back to Cornwallis again.
She resides some ten miles from the Courthouse of her county where the courts are held and she could not in justice to herself go to the Courthouse she is afflicted with Phthysick so that it would endanger her to venture to make the trip to the Courthouse of her county.
Sworn and Subscribed before me George [page] (5) Adams a Justice of the Peace as afs'd this 17th day of Nov 1849.
Sarah //Dye// Reynolds.
And I certify I am personally acquanted with the affiant and know her to be the identical person she assumes to be. and that she is a person of veracity.
Be it remembered that on this 19th day of Nov 1849 in the Courthouse before the County Court of Pulaski County in the state of Kentucky personally appeared in open court George Adams who made oath that he was acquainted with William Dye the husband formerly of Sarah Reynolds the above applicant for a pension. The said William Dye was reputed and believed in his neighborhood where he lived in Pulaski Co KY - for many years before his death to have been a Soldier in the War of the Revolution. This affiant has often heard him speak of being in the Battle of Guilford and at the taking of Cornwallis at Yorktown - The said William Dye was regarded as a truthful man. He stood well as a man of good character in his neighborhood and an orderly member of the church up to his death and none of his neighbors to the knowledge of affiant ever doubted that he Served in the Revolutionary War as he stated he had done. He further states that Sarah Reynolds is a woman of good character and her
[page] (6) statement is entitled to full credit and belief.
Subscribed and sworn to in open court.George Adams. On this 19th day of Nov 1849 before the Pulaski County Court Kentucky, personally appeared James Adams who made oath in open Court that he was well acquainted with the above named William Dye in his life time and concurs with George Adams in his statements above made in relation to the said William Dye and Sarah Reynolds.
Subscribed and Sworn to in open Court. James Adams.
On this 19th day of November 1849 at the Court house of Pulaski County in Somerset in and before the Pulaski County Court now sitting personally appeared Catharine Black and made oath that she was present in Caswell County in the state of North Carolina when the above named applicant Sarah Reynolds was married to William Dye her maiden name was Sarah Gorden they were married by a Magistrate (she thinks Arch'd Samuel) and from her age and the ages of their children she thinks the marriage was as long as 6 June 1798 - Sworn & subscribed this 19th Nov 1849 before the Court in open Court. Catharine Black
[page] (7) On this 19th day of Nov 1849 John Adams personally appeared before the Pulaski County Court Ky and made oath that he was well acquanted with William Dye in his life time and concurs with George Adams and James Adams in what they have stated above in regard to him and to Sarah Reynolds.
Sworn in open Court & subscribed John Adams
State of Kentucky County of Pulaski S.S.
I William M. Fox Clerk of the County Court for the County aforesaid certify that George Adams, Esq before whom the foregoing Declaration of Sarah Reynolds appears to have been made - is and was at the time of the date of his attestations and certificate there under written a Justice of the Peace for said County of Pulaski and a member of the Pulaski County Court of which court I am Clerk as aforesaid. And I do further certify that the three foregoing pages of this sheet numbered pages 5, 6, 7 contain the original and entire proceedings (viz the affidavits of George Adams, James Adams, Catharine Black and John Adams) had in the Pulaski County Court on the subject of the application of Sarah Reynolds for a pension. In testimony whereof I hereto subscribe my name and affix my seal of office at office in Somerset this 3d day of December 1849.
William M Fox Clerk Pulaski County Court
[frame 86] 575, Sarah Reynolds formerly widow of William Dye Kentucky.
[frame 87] State of Kentucky County of Pulaski S.S. Transcribed by Pike-2301
SARAH'S 3RD KNOWN PENSION APPLICATION
Be it remembered that on this 18th day of August 1851 in and before the County Court of Pulaski County in open Session personally came Shaderach Dye - aged sixty nine years a resident of said County of Pulaski and state of Kentucky, who being first sworn in open court upon his oath declared That he was present at the house of Polly Randal in Caswell County in the state of North Carolina on the day of June A.D. 1799 when and where the marriage ceremony was performed of //William Dye to Matthew Reynolds// William Dye to Sarah Gordin, the same who after the death of said William Dye married Matthew Reynolds who has since died leaving the said Sarah a Widow, and she is now a Widow. The mariage ceremony was performed by a Justice of the Peace by the name of Arch'd Samuels and this affiant was present at the marriage that is to say the marriage of s'd Sarah Gordin to William Dye, and knows that she continued his wife until the death of said William Dye. This affiant was a son of William Dye, and has heard him Speak of his Services in the Revolutionary War. And he recollects that the Captain who commanded (frame 88) the Company in which the said William Served at the Battle of Guilford was by the name of Thompson and as the said William Dye said he was killed in the Battle.
Sworn & Subscribed in open Court.
Shadrach Dye X his mark
At a county Court held for Pulaski County at the Courthouse in the Town of Somerset on Monday the 18th day of August 1851.
Present the Hon John S Kendrick sole Judge The Statement of Shadrach Dye in the matter of Sarah Reynolds an applicant for a Pension was sworn to and subscribed by the said Shadrach Dye in open Court and is ordered to be Certified to the War Department.
State of Kentucky Pulaski County - towit- I James D Allcorn Clerk of the County Court for the County aforesaid do Certify that the above order in the matter of Sarah Reynolds application for a Pension is truly Copied from the record of said Court and that said Order together with the affidavit of Shadrach Dye preceding the same on this sheet of paper constitute the full and entire proceeding of said Court in said matter at said Term -
In Testimony whereof I have hereto set my seal of Office [frame 89] at Office in the Town of Somerset this 21st day of August 1851. Pike-2301
[frame 92] 575 Sarah Reynolds formerly widow of William Dye Kentucky Suspended.
Let to Honl G.A. Caldwell Dec 20/ [tattered edge] A.J. James Nov 15/52 Act 29 July [tattered edge]
(frame 93) No. 575 Sarah Reynolds formerly widow of Wm. Dye Ky.
Suspended Let. to Hon. G.A. Caldwell Dec. 20/49 A.J. James Nov. 15/51 Act 29 July 1848.
(frame 94) House of Reps Dec 18 '49 Sir,
I send herewith the papers of Mrs Sarah Reynolds of my district. If there is any irregularity in the form of the papers please furnish me with the necessary forms and instructions to establish the claim.
I am very Respty Your Obd Sert Geo. A. Caldwell.
Hon J. L. Edwards Com'r Pen's
(frame 95) Heath, Esq'r Com'r of Pensions Washington City D.C.
Septr: 2nd 1851 Dec'l of Mrs. Reynolds as wid of Wm. Dye
(_?_) A.J. James Somerset Ky.
(frame 960)
Somerset, KY 22d Aug 1851
Dr Sir,
The declaration of Mrs Sarah Reynolds an applicant for a Pension, as the Widow of William Dye a Revolutionary Soldier - and other papers relative thereto were forwarded to the War Dep some 18 Mo' or two years ago - they are on file in the Pension office - the Pension was not granted upon the ground that the proof of Marriage was not sufficient.
Enclosed herewith I forward additional Proof to the point complained of, and respectfully ask a re-examination of the case - hoping that Mrs Reynolds has shewn herself entitled to the benefits of the Pension Law in cases like hers provided.
Please advise me of the result of the examination.
Yours Respy A.J. James Mr Heath Com'r Pensions Washington City, D.C. Transcribed by Pike-2301
Military
Note:
<p><p>General in Greene's Army<p>6th Virginia Regiment of the Continental Line.
Research Notes
Disputed Parents
Some people imagine that William was the son of Jacob Dye, while others say that William's father was William Dye (which seems more likely). (Others conflate the two as the imaginary "William Jacob" Dye.)
Project Maintenance Notes
Needs Style Review: Profile elements need to be rearranged to be more in line with current project & WikiTree styles and standards - see the project's Editing Guidance.
Daughters of the American Revolution, DAR Genealogical Research Databases, database online, (http://www.dar.org/ : accessed 11 Mar 2017), "Record of William Dye", Ancestor # A133023.
DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships.
It is likely that these
autosomal DNA
test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with William:
Ok, I went and used the 1800, 1810, & 1820 census for William in 1800 there are 6 living in the home. In 1810 there are 3 more the 3 girls Tabitha Nancy and Mary who were born between 1800 census and 1810 census. In 1810 there are 2 boys John and Isaac, in they would be About 4 & 5 the 2 under 10. 1820 has under 10, 10 thr 15, 16 Thur 25, over 45. Now 2 boys were born between 1810 & 20 that would be my Henry b. 1812 and James b. 1815. Under 10 for males has 2 boys, 10 thur 15 has 1 boy the 4 year old in 1810 the 16 Thur 25 has also 1 boy the 5 year old from 1810. Jane was born 1811 and James 1815 not my calculation but the ones before me. I have census records 3 of them 1850, 1860 and 1870 Has Henry was b 1812 in Ky. Henry moved to Missouri that's the 1840 census. Who know Henry could have been the one who took Sarah's bible to Missouri . He was in Pulaski Missouri 1840. Now Henry is my 3rd gr. grandfather. Are you trying to tell me it won't go back that far? I have one that's 10 gen. back from this site and 7 gen cousins. If you like to see the DNA percentage I have with a Mary Polly Dye who is William Sr. Sister and also the percentage to William Jr. I be happy to send them to you. I have been doing genealogy on my family and for others for a long time I am 63 I think I started between 2000 and 2005. Just lost most my work in a flood a year and a half. Henry is Dye-3744. I have DNA proof on my 10thgr grandmother who for year I been trying to prove she was part Cherokee got it now but won't add it to my tree till I get all the confusion out of these Browns. It even shows up in my DNA only 3 percent but it's there even after 10 gen. I am mostly Irish and Scottish. It's not like this is the first child that wasn't on a record with his name on it. I myself have found a few that stump me but I finely found who they belong to before DNA. I done a lot on Fine-A-Grave walked cemetery s taking photos then looking up what I could find and adding bio. I haven't linked Henry on FAG not yet I will when I am able to prove he is his child. If I am wrong then I will delete the connection. This is a passion and a responsibility to get the data right we are losing more and more history every day. Godspeed.
I'm not trying to be rude , I am just frustrated. I made a mistake and add Henry to William Sr. Dye then I tried to add him to William Jr. some how Henry had ELIZABETH Monk as his father. Then I know I got the thing right to add Henry to Dye-59 but I get I can't because of editing I don't want to take anything away just add my 3rd great grandfather I added photo to Henry's profile that show he is by DNA the son of William. He fits right between Jane b. 1811 and James b.1818 Henry was b. 1812.
Diana - can you identify the profile number for the Henry that you believe should be added as a son of this William Dye (Dye-59) and also identify the source or sources that you are relying upon? It would be unusual for DNA evidence alone to establish a parental relationship this far back, but we can certainly take a look at it.
Did you get my email to you and did you review what I said on here? I can tell you all the percentage of DNA on cousins for many of William s children if that helps .
I am adding a comment on this profile. What happened to the profile managers to correct the data? This should be a male biography, yet I keep reading long paragraphs with the word "she" in the paragraphs.
Also there is a section of disputed middle name, yet the FindAGrave source lists the name as William Shadrack Dye.
Mary, the 'she' is because the information is relating to the widow and is her statement. Middle names were uncommon in the mid-1700s. Since William's wife and his son Shadrack call him William, I don't believe a middle name should be placed on the profile based on an unsourced Find-a-Grave memorial. I'll add the link for the pension application to the bio. Thank you.
I want to make a comment about the connection between William Dye and Jacob Dye who gifted William with 300 acres of the land that he, Jacob, purchased in 1762. The deed of gift is followed immediately on the same day by another deed gifting 300 acres of the same lot to Jacob Dye Jr. The second deed is worded exactly the same as the first and for the same 15 shillings as the first deed. This has the appearance of equal treatment of siblings rather than a form of payment for services. I think that we can say that Jacob Dye Jr. is the gifter's son, so it would seem that William would be a son also.
On another point, the head tax rolls show William living in Halifax county well after all of the other Dye kin have left. At one point, he is listed in those rolls as having a brother living with him.
That was after the likely death of Jacob Dye (presumably about 1784 from the dispersal of his land and his name missing from the later head tax rolls). This raises the question of why William would have a brother living with him only starting in 1789. Presumably that brother turned 21 that year. The only source for such a brother would be Jacob Dye's family.
The 1785 Virginia census shows William with a household of 9. At that date, from the known children, he would have 5 children, add husband and wife and we are still 2 shy. That suggests that there were some of Jacob's family living with him - likely the brother of William mentioned later and possibly the widow of Jacob Dye. As for the 5 children, it should be recalled that William fought in the Revolution and would have been absent for a time. Then too, since he likely did not marry Rebecca Randolph until after the Randolphs moved to Caswell county in 1778, it seems certain that there was an earlier wife who died, further interrupting the growth of the family. The only other Dye family members on that census are Abraham and Laurence.
At that time, the Dyes and the Randolphs became neighbours. The first three children of William are likely born to an unknown wife. This compares with the date of James Randolph marrying Mary Dye in 1781, from the marriage bond. One other detail, Anna J Dye (daughter) was likely born abt 1778 or before, since she married in 1796. Being born in 1783 would make her 13 when she married.
The birthplace given is not right since Halifax county did not exist until 1752 and moreover, the land he received was not purchased until 1762 by Jacob Dye,
who sold, on the same date, property in Halifax county, which now lies in Pittsylvania county. That property was purchased in 1756 when the land was part of Lunenburgh county.
The same date as the above purchase, Jacob Dye sold property in Halifax County:
Lease of land held in free and common socage from [Col. William Beverley] of East Greenwich, Kent for a consideration of 40 shillings, a tract of land comprising 377 acres in the County of Augusta at the head draughts of Muddy Creek for a rent of 1 shilling for each 50 acres paid on the feast of St. Michael........
dated 24 June 1747
Signed William Gooch (Governor of the colony as agent for the proprietor)
[Augusta County was created 1 August 1738 from Orange County. ]
You may notice the similarity of the date of the above transaction and the given date of birth of William Dye, as well as his birthplace. The name of the place is not conclusive, since surveyors often used descriptive names for unnamed creeks, like Muddy, Rocky, Reedy and so on, and they appear in a number of surveys.
Jacob Dye and Mary, his wife (both making their marks) sell to Ephraim Love, late of Lanc. Co., Pa., for 60 pounds 5 Shillings, 377 A "on ye head drafts of Muddy Creek under the North Mountain," adjoining Daniel Harrison. - Witnesses Peter Scholl, William White, William Carroll
In this record, we see the name of Jacob's wife, Mary, which is not in the records again until 1789.
Another record for Jacob Dye in Augusta County is as follows:
Augusta County
At a Court Martial Held 15 Sept. 1742
.................
The Return of Capt. Hugh Thompson's Delinquents:
....., Jacob Dye, Abraham Dye.......
..............................................
The Trial of Capt. Hugh Thompson's Delinquents:
Excused upon their returning and bearing arms under Capt. Hugh Thompson
....., Jacob Dye, Abraham Dye.......
There are other less useful records involving court cases which Jacob was involved in, but one stands out:
Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish settlement in Virginia,
extracted from the original court records of Augusta County, 1745-1800, Vol I
Augusta County Court Judgements
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Dye-59 was being merged with another new William Dye about every 6 months. Dye-2134 shouldn't be merged with Dye-59 because of it's unreliable sources as Ancestry, and as WikiTree doesn't recognize Ancestry as a Reliable source and just a reference. Robin Lee put Dye-59 as a protected site. Another Pvt Dye should not have been created if WT's software was working. Pike-2301
William Dye Jr.' middle name is listed as Shadrick or Shadrack on Ancestry. There is no source for this middle name and was removed in 2016 by myself and J. Ricketts. Another researcher made a note below of the same fact and behold William's profile was duped again (Dye-2134) with the Shadrick middle name. i believe that there were statements that Wm's uncle Jacob was his father but jake and Wm. were almost the same age. This error is due to land being given to Wm by Jake. William was a House Joiner (carpenter) and Wm. supposedly worked for Jacob and the land. They lived near or in the town of Minton that is no longer there, just the remains of a few stone foundations. The town was visited by Elizabeth Dye in the 70's.
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Another William Dye has just been created. He is Dye-1942. Gavin-339 duplicated Pvt Wm. though she doesn't show as an Ancestor. Pvt. Wm. Should show Project Protected (per Robin Lee), so that another PM is added. I thought that the software would keep someone from duplicating these existing profiles? A PM should call for a merge after you're PP. Thanks
Another William Dye has just been created. He is Dye-1942. Gavin-339 duplicated Pvt Wm. though she doesn't show as an Ancestor. Pvt. Wm. Should show Project Protected (per Robin Lee), so that another PM is added. I thought that the software would keep someone from duplicating these existing profiles? A PM should call for a merge after you're PP. Thanks
Unless somebody objects, I am going to detach the parents of William and add a "disputed parents" section with links to the detached parents. "William Jacob" or "William" or "Jacob" -- was the mother "Mary Braun" or "Elizabeth Brown" (as shown on "William Jacob's" profile)? Where's the evidence?
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Also there is a section of disputed middle name, yet the FindAGrave source lists the name as William Shadrack Dye.
I found the source for the pension application online. https://revwarapps.org/r8719.pdf
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SKF-X?i=617&cat=406522
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SK6-5?i=618&cat=406522
On another point, the head tax rolls show William living in Halifax county well after all of the other Dye kin have left. At one point, he is listed in those rolls as having a brother living with him.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQK-PSWL-S?i=272&cat=776119
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQK-PSWV-N?i=306&cat=776119
That was after the likely death of Jacob Dye (presumably about 1784 from the dispersal of his land and his name missing from the later head tax rolls). This raises the question of why William would have a brother living with him only starting in 1789. Presumably that brother turned 21 that year. The only source for such a brother would be Jacob Dye's family.
Heads of Families Halifax County, Virginia, 1785 http://genealogytrails.com/vir/halifax/1785census.html
The 1785 Virginia census shows William with a household of 9. At that date, from the known children, he would have 5 children, add husband and wife and we are still 2 shy. That suggests that there were some of Jacob's family living with him - likely the brother of William mentioned later and possibly the widow of Jacob Dye. As for the 5 children, it should be recalled that William fought in the Revolution and would have been absent for a time. Then too, since he likely did not marry Rebecca Randolph until after the Randolphs moved to Caswell county in 1778, it seems certain that there was an earlier wife who died, further interrupting the growth of the family. The only other Dye family members on that census are Abraham and Laurence.
edited by Paul Sigmundson
https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/490729-caswell-county-north-carolina-land-grants-tax-lists-state-census-apprentice-bonds-estate-records?viewer=1&offset=0#page=27&viewer=picture&o=info&n=0&q=
At that time, the Dyes and the Randolphs became neighbours. The first three children of William are likely born to an unknown wife. This compares with the date of James Randolph marrying Mary Dye in 1781, from the marriage bond. One other detail, Anna J Dye (daughter) was likely born abt 1778 or before, since she married in 1796. Being born in 1783 would make her 13 when she married. The birthplace given is not right since Halifax county did not exist until 1752 and moreover, the land he received was not purchased until 1762 by Jacob Dye,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-BTF2?i=638&cat=406522
who sold, on the same date, property in Halifax county, which now lies in Pittsylvania county. That property was purchased in 1756 when the land was part of Lunenburgh county. The same date as the above purchase, Jacob Dye sold property in Halifax County:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-BTJT?i=606&cat=406522
Which he purchased in 1756 when the lot was then in Lunenburgh county:
http://image.lva.virginia.gov/LONN/LO-1/030/030_0364.tif
http://image.lva.virginia.gov/LONN/LO-1/030/030_0365.tif
I am not sure where the reference to "Muddy Creek" comes from, but that could refer to a previous land transaction by Jacob Dye:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/584564?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Lease of land held in free and common socage from [Col. William Beverley] of East Greenwich, Kent for a consideration of 40 shillings, a tract of land comprising 377 acres in the County of Augusta at the head draughts of Muddy Creek for a rent of 1 shilling for each 50 acres paid on the feast of St. Michael........ dated 24 June 1747 Signed William Gooch (Governor of the colony as agent for the proprietor) [Augusta County was created 1 August 1738 from Orange County. ] You may notice the similarity of the date of the above transaction and the given date of birth of William Dye, as well as his birthplace. The name of the place is not conclusive, since surveyors often used descriptive names for unnamed creeks, like Muddy, Rocky, Reedy and so on, and they appear in a number of surveys.
That property was sold in 1748:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t2f76mv92&view=1up&seq=88&skin=2021
Jacob Dye and Mary, his wife (both making their marks) sell to Ephraim Love, late of Lanc. Co., Pa., for 60 pounds 5 Shillings, 377 A "on ye head drafts of Muddy Creek under the North Mountain," adjoining Daniel Harrison. - Witnesses Peter Scholl, William White, William Carroll
In this record, we see the name of Jacob's wife, Mary, which is not in the records again until 1789.
Another record for Jacob Dye in Augusta County is as follows:
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Virginia_s_Colonial_Soldiers/0RpcjJQBm6AC?hl=en&gbpv=1
Augusta County At a Court Martial Held 15 Sept. 1742 ................. The Return of Capt. Hugh Thompson's Delinquents: ....., Jacob Dye, Abraham Dye....... .............................................. The Trial of Capt. Hugh Thompson's Delinquents: Excused upon their returning and bearing arms under Capt. Hugh Thompson ....., Jacob Dye, Abraham Dye.......
There are other less useful records involving court cases which Jacob was involved in, but one stands out: Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish settlement in Virginia, extracted from the original court records of Augusta County, 1745-1800, Vol I Augusta County Court Judgements
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn4xqt&view=1up&seq=298&skin=2021
Sept 1746 Cornelius Tebout vs. Jacob Dye. — Debt on note dated 30th October, 1734, in New York. Witnessed by Raphael Goelet and Richard Green.
This indicates that Jacob was originally from New York, and likely born some 21+ years before 1734.
edited by Paul Sigmundson
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