Eleanor
[uncertain]
Gernon
formerly [surname unknown]
Born about in England
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of
Ralph Gernon
— married
1249 in Cambridgeshire, England
Descendants 
Died before
before about age 59
in Great Birch, Cambridgeshire, England
Profile last modified
| Created 28 Mar 2012
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Biography
This person was the wife of Sir Ralph Gernon, Lord of Great Birch & East Thorpe, son of William Gernon, Marshall of King's Household, circa 1249. They had 2 sons & 2 daughters:[1][2][3][4]
- Sir William
- Richard
- Alice, wife of Robert Baynard
- Margaret, wife of Ralph de Verley
Research Notes
This person has previously been shown as a de Vere, and daughter of Robert de Vere and Isabel de Bolebec. There is no reliable evidence that Ralph Gernon's wife was a de Vere or daughter of these parents.
The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography states that Robert de Vere and Isabel de Bolebec had just one child, Hugh.[5] The author of this entry has messaged the Magna Carta Project to state that extensive research into the de Vere family has failed to find any good evidence for a daughter called Eleanor.
Douglas Richardson[1] and Medlands[6] both state that they also had a daughter Eleanor who married Ralph Gernon. They cite Farrer's Honors and Knights' Fees, which states that "Sir Ralph [Gernon] was twice married, his first wife being Eleanor daughter of Robert de Vere, earl of Oxford..."[7] The citation given by Farrer is a Gernon pedigree in the 1899 volume of Collections for a History of Staffordshire which shows Ralph Gernon married first to "Eleanor dau. of Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford" and second to "Hawisia (Tregoz)."[8] Tat pedigree gives no sourcing, and cannot be regarded as a reliable source.
A Gernon pedigree in William Farrer's Feudal Cambridgeshire does not identify the first wife of Ralph Gernon.[9]
Against this background, Eleanor was detached from her previously-shown parents, and her last name at birth was changed to Unknown.
There also appears to be no reliable source for the first name of Ralph Gernon's wife being Eleanor.
Sources
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol. III, p. 350, PEYTON 2
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 262
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 364.
- ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 252.
- ↑ Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, entry for 'Vere, Robert de, third earl of Oxford', print and online 2004, revised online 2005, available online via some libraries
- ↑ Charles Cawley. England, Earls created 1138-1143, Chapter 9, Oxford: A. EARLS of OXFORD 1142-1526 (VERE) 2.c.iii., entry for Robert de Vere, in "Medieval Lands": A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families © by Charles Cawley, hosted by Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG). See also WikiTree's source page for MedLands.
- ↑ William Farrer. Honors and Knights' Fees, Vol. III, Manchester University Press/Longmans, Green & Co, 1925, p. 205
- ↑ Falconer Madan (compiler). The Gresleys of Drakelowe, Collections for a History of Staffordshire, New Series, Vol. I, William Salt Archaeological Society, 1899, p. 257, Internet Archive
- ↑ William Farrer. Feudal Cambridgeshire, Cambridge University Press, 1920, p. 218, Internet Archive
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According to Robert's profile, both Richardson and Cawley believe she is the daughter of Robert and isabel. They may very well be wrong but, when in doubt, we go with Richardson unless there's other evidence to refute it.
ODNB agrees that Isabel had only one child later in life, we will look into that as well.
edited by Traci Thiessen