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Little Dragging Canoe Cherokee (abt. 1760 - abt. 1836)

Little Dragging Canoe "Young Dragging Canoe" Cherokee
Born about in Cherokee Nation (East)map [uncertain]
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Son of and [mother unknown]
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Died about at about age 76 in Cherokee Nation (East)map [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 29 May 2011
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Little Dragging Canoe was Cherokee.
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Biography

Chief Dragging Canoe had one known child, a son known as Little or Young Dragging Canoe. Very little is known about this son; despite what is linked to on this profile, there is no documentation of any marriage or children.[1]

He is mentioned in a 1792 account by a man named Richard Finnelson included in a report to Secretary of War Blount, "Panton … expected that John Watts, the Young Dragging Canoe and the Little Turkey were then at his house, in Pensacola... "[2]

Although he joined John Watts in his attacks on American settlers after their return from Pensacola, he apparently became reconciled to the Americans. He is believed to be one of the men named "Dragging Canoe" who fought in a Cherokee unit at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend during the War of 1812.[3]

The son's birth year has been estimated from his father's age.

Disputed Relations

A previous version of this profile claimed, without adequate sources, that his spouse was Rutha Rowland and that they had a child Martha Tilde Snow Allen. They've been detached. If you have a strong source for these claims, please provide it. (The sources previously listed on this profile were insufficient.) Thank

Another version of this profile claimed, without sources, a spouse Pin Yin Consene, and children: Sarah Consene and John Consene Tucker. They have been detached.

Sources

  1. A scholarly biography of Dragging Canoe can be found in The Journal of Cherokee Studies, Winter 1977, pp 176-189.
  2. American State Papers, 2nd Congress, 2nd Session. Indian Affairs, Vol. 1, p. 289. image here
  3. muster roll, Gideon Morgan's Cherokee Regiment image here

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Removed the child who was showing; bio said she had been previously removed.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Thanks, Kathie. I've marked up the detached profile as well. Sarah, can you please project protect the detached child?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Consene-3

posted by Jillaine Smith
Is there any documentation for the wife and/or children attached to this profile? If not, they should be detached.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Donald Yates is not a reliable source for any Cherokee information. Where is there any documented source for these people?
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Really? Can you give a detailed explanation as to why and not just a declaration?
posted by Maurice Allison Jr
Among the issues are that Donald Yates believes, among other things, that the Cherokee are a "lost tribe of Israel" which is absolutely not true. He tells people that they are Cherokee based on undocumented family claims, not on documents or DNA. He makes numerous other claims that are not supported by any science or history.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
James Adair claimed that. What I’ve seen of Yates and Hirschmann’s work re: the Jewish migration to North America is rather compelling. Adairs work is also, given he was there and all.
posted by Maurice Allison Jr
The people indigenous to the Americas are not and never have been a lost tribe of Israel - if there even is such a thing. That is ridiculous and is unsupported by any actual science. With the arrival of Europeans I'm sure there were Native people who intermarried or had children with people of Jewish descent, but that has nothing to do with our ancestry.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
I’m not saying that Indigenous peoples here were the Lost Tribe of Israel. James Adair sort of did, though, and others of that time period also. Yates and Hirschman are pointed to a larger and earlier than thought, migration of Jewish people from Europe to North America. Some were traders. Traders had a lot of contact with tribes and as such made babies that were mixed. John Ross, a Cherokee leader, was far more white than not. This definitely happened alot. Eastern woodland tribes clearly mixed more with the new immigrants than the interior tribes.
posted by Maurice Allison Jr
edited by Maurice Allison Jr
Donald Yates is not a scientist, a geneticist, or a sociologist. His claims and the things he writes are meant to support claims of indigenous ancestry by people who have none. All people indigenous to the Americans are linked to populations in Asia 20 to 30,000 years ago. We were here for tens of thousands of years, with a wide variety of cultures and civilizations, long before Europeans arrived about 1000 a.d. I am sure that Europeans began fathering children with indigenous women as soon as they arrived, but that is a tiny fraction of the Native population.

Almost all of the Native American nations on the East Coast were wiped out by disease and warfare before the middle of the 18th century. The Cherokee lived across the Appalachian Mountains and were not reached by Europeans until the 1670's but even so 30-50% of the Cherokee were killed by smallpox in the early 1700's. White traders began fathering Cherokee children in the 1720's. We know more about the genealogy of mixed families because white people kept written records and followed patrilineal descent, which was meaningless to the Cherokee. White traders needed Cherokee wives to have any status with the tribe - without a wife they were a non-person - but the relationships benefitted both parties giving the wife and her family better access to trade goods. These intermarriages involved a small proportion of the tribe - in 1835 75% of Cherokee were full-blood, and there were only 200 intermarried whites.

Yates' claims are Eurocentric and colonizer ideas that somehow Indian tribes benefitted from the arrival of Europeans. None of his claims are accepted by any recognized tribe.

posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Oh.

Who determined that 75% of the Cherokee were full blood in 1835? Just curious given the circumstances.

Do you have any knowledge of the Rickahocken (sp)? Recently saw something about them.

posted by Maurice Allison Jr
That's the information on the 1835 Cherokee census; the census takers were white. They categorized everyone with a blood quantum - full, 1/2, 1/4, - or as white. The Rickohocken were a tribe that lived along the James River, in central Virginia, west of where Richmond is now. They defeated the English in a battle in 1656, but vanish from records by the end of the 1600's. Almost all of the Virginia tribes were wiped out by the English in the 1600's when they destroyed the Powhatan Confederacy. A handful of small tribes managed to survive to the present day.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Consene-1 and Cherokee-91 appear to represent the same person because: There is only one “Little Dragging Canoe” so these should be merged.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
There was no “Moytoy” family. According to Native American project standards Cherokee people without a “Last” or family name should have an LNAB of “Cherokee.”
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Consene-2 and Consene-1 appear to represent the same person because: Same birth and death dates, same wife, overall same information
posted by Dorothy Barry
Please change LNAB to Moytoy.
posted by [Living McQueen]

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