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Hugues (Champagne) de Montfélix (abt. 1108 - 1159)

Hugues "Seigneur de Vanault" de Montfélix formerly Champagne aka Montfélix
Born about in Comté de Champagnemap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died at about age 51 [location unknown]
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Il a été déduit des recherches menées par le médiéviste Michel Bur, historien des textes et archéologue, spécialiste de l'histoire du comté de Champagne[1], qu'Hugues de Montfélix était un fils illégitime du comte Thibaud de Champagne. Bien que les documents attestent du soutien apporté par le comte Thibaud aux entreprises d'Hugues de Montfélix, ces présomptions ne semblent pas suffisantes pour prouver un lien de parenté. En conséquence, les deux profils ont été détachés.

Research by Professor Michel Bur, archeologist and historian, specialist of the history of the County of Champagne[1], may indicate that Hugues de Montfélix was a natural son of Count Theobald of Champagne. Though contemporary charters indicate that Thibaud fully supported Hugues de Montfélix's undertakings, this circumstancial evidence does not prove a blood relation. Consequently, Hugues's profile is disconnected from Thibaud.

Biographie

( English version below)

Hugues de Montfélix, seigneur de Vanault, est né vers 1108 en Champagne, probablement à proximité de la châtellenie de Montfélix, au sud d'Epernay. On le présente comme époux d'Alix de Pierrepont et Montaigu, héritière de deux seigneuries en Laonnois et soeur de Guy de Pierrepont, archidiacre de Laon puis évêque de Laon[2].

De ce mariage naquit Hugues II (de Pierrepont) qui épousa Clémence de Rethel, fille du comte Itier et de Béatrice de Namur. Ils eurent pour enfants Robert, sire de Pierrepont et Montaigu (qui épousa Eustachie de Roucy); Gauthier, sire de Vanault, et Hugues, évêque de Liège[2].

Hugues Il apparaît en 1120 comme témoin d'une charte du comte Hugues de Troyes, oncle paternel de Thibaut II, délivrée en faveur de Saint-Denis de Reims[3].

Hugues de Montfélix s'était emparé d'un étang sur le domaine de l'abbaye à Vanault et avait construit un château. A l'occasion de ce litige qui dura plusieurs années il se montre d'une totale désinvolture à l'égard des évêques de Châlons, du légat pontifical et du pape lui-même, quittant Reims à la veille du procès, ne se présentant pas à Châlons à la date fixée, refusant de rencontrer l'abbé de Gorze à Auxerre et finalement étant absent le jour où le pontife lui donne tort, non sans le menacer d'excommunication s'il continue à persévérer dans le mal. En fin de compte, c'est l'abbaye de Gorze qui a plié en 1138 en laissant à Hugues la jouissance du château construit sur les terres de l'abbaye moyennent un paiement de cinq sous par an. Thibaut II de Champagne apparaît comme témoin à différentes étapes du litige en 1132, 1136 et 1138[3].

Recherches sur la famille d'Hugues de Montfélix

Le nom d'Hugues de Montfélix laisse supposer qu'il appartenait à la famille des Montfélix, grosse forteresse des comtes de Champagne au sud d'Epernay. Cependant, le soutien du comte de Champagne Thibaud pendant son litige contre l'abbé de Gorze (et on peut supposer qu'il lui a aussi fourni des moyens pour construire son château) et son mariage brillant avec Alix de Pierrepont, peuvent laisser supposer qu'il était en fait un fils bâtard du comte Thibaud de Champagne. Sa mère aurait été orginaire de Possesse, aux environs de Châlons[3]

Il n'est pas certain que Hugues de Montfélix soit le père d'Hugues II de Pierrepont. Selon Charles Cawley, Hugues II pourrait être soit le fils de Guillaume de Pierrepont (un frère d'Alix), ou d'une soeur de Guillaume qui aurait hérité de Pierrepont après la mort de ses frères[4]. Hugues était aussi appelé seigneur de Vanault[4], d'où le lien de parenté probable avec Hugues de Montfélix, seigneur de Vanault.

Biography

( Version française ci-dessus

Hugh of Montfélix, lord of Vanault, was born around 1308 in Champagne, probably in the area around the castle of Montfélix, south of Epernay. He is assumed to be the husband of Alix of Pierrepont and Montaigu, who was the heiress of two fiefs in Laonnois (Picardy). Alix was the sister of Guy of Pierrepont, archdeacon of Laon and later bishop of Châlons[2].

Hugh and Alix were probably parents of a son, Hugh of Pierrepont, who married Clémence de Rethel and started the second house of the lords Pierrepont. Hugh and Clémence had issue Robert, lord of Pierrepont and Montaigu (he married Eustachie of Roucy); Walter, lord of Vanault, and Hugh, bishop of Liège[2].

In 1120 Hugh was witness of a chart of count Hugh of Troyes, paternal uncle of Theobald the Great[3].

In the late 1120s, Hugh usurped a pond and a path on the domain of the abbey of Gorze, in Vanault, in order to build himself a castle. During the dispute that followed - which was not solved before 1138 - Hugh showed extreme casualness towards the bishops of Châlons, the papal legate and even the pope himself, even refusing to meet the pope, and was finally threatened with excommunication. Finally, and though Hugh was obviously in the wrong, the abbot of Gorze had to give in, leaving the castle to Hugh in exchange for a rent of five sous per year. The cout of Blois, Theobald II, was present in person at several meetings during the dispute (1132, 1136, 1138)[3][5].

Hugh's parentage

Hugh of Montfélix's name suggests he belonged to the family of Montfélix, a large fortress of the counts of Champagne south of Epernay. However, the Count of Champagne's consistent support during the Vanault dispute (and it seems likely that Thibaud also helped provide the means to build the castle), and Hugh's brilliant marriage to the Pierrepont heiress have led some to suppose that Hugh was in fact an illegetimate child of Thibaud de Champagne. His mother would have been a woman from Possesse, a domain near Châlons[3].

Hugh's marriage

According to Charles Cawley, Hugh II de Pierrepont could have been either the son of Guillaume de Pierrepont or the son of a sister of Guillaume who inherited Pierrepont after the death of her brothers without direct heirs. As Hugues is named “Hugues de Vasnove” (Vanault) in the 1149 charter, the latter possibility seems more likely[4]. Hugh II's title of lord of Vanault makes the family relationship with Hugh of Montfélix likely.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Biographie de Michel Bur, sur le site de l'Académie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Château Gaillard: études de castellologie médiévale, V : actes du colloque ..., Page 28
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 http://www.depierrepont.net/publications/hugues-de-montfelix-batard-de-champagne (findings of Pr Michel Bur concerning Hugues de Montfélix, in French)
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Medieval Lands: Northern France, Laon, Coucy, Roucy, Soissons, chap. 3D, Hugues de Pierrepont http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#RobertPierrepontRoucydied1209A
  5. English summary of Michel Bur's findings: http://ramblinrussells.blogspot.com/2017/03/genealogy-story-william-conqueror-and.html
  • Château Gaillard: études de castellologie médiévale, V : actes du colloque ..., Page 28
  • http://www.depierrepont.net/publications/hugues-de-montfelix-batard-de-champagne (article about findings of Pr Michel Bur concerning Hugues de Montfélix, in French; caution: it is not clear from the article what was actually written by Bur and what was interpreted)
  • Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Gorze, By Groze Alsace-Lorraine, Herbomez Armand Auguste. Page 554 (official document: papal bull to settle the dispute between the abbot at Gorze and Hugues de Montfélix, concerning the usurpation of the domain of the abbey at Venault)

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As suggested in G2G (see above), I'm disconnecting Hugues here from Thibaud de Champagne. Could you please change his LNAB to Montfélix ? Thank you !
Two of the links on this page indicate that Hugues and Alix Pierrepont had a son, Hugues II, who married Clémence de Rethel. There is already a profile for Hugues Pierrepont but he has a different father.

This page would deserve to have the links organised as references in a narrative explaining the situation ! Thanks !

The links here show that Hugues de Montfélix who married Alix de Pierrepont really existed. And that Thibaud supported him. The question is whether he was Thibaud's illegetimate son. If he was, he is not the same Hugues as the cleric (which would make two illegitimate Hugues...). Several of the links here claim Michel Bur showed Hugues de Montfélix was indeed Thibaud's son. The circumstancial evidence described in one of the articles is interesting.
OK, looking again I realize RA says there were 2 Hughs, one legit and one illegit, both clerics. MEDLANDS only has an illegit one, and Genealogics only has a legit one. We need to be careful to work out what is correct and if there really are 2 people, not to mix them
posted by Andrew Lancaster
why not connected to mother? Richardson lists with legitimate children. Looks interesting but we should get some sources in
posted by Andrew Lancaster

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