Sir
Robert
"le Meschin, the Cadet"
de Brus IInd of Annandale
formerly Brus aka Bruce
Born about in Durham, England
Son of Robert (Brus) de Brus
and Agnes (Unknown) de Brus
Brother of
Adam (Brus) de Brus and Agatha (Brus) de Taillebois
Husband of
Euphemia (Aumale) Brus
— married
[date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants 
Died about
at about age 69
in Annandale, Dumfries-Shire, Scotland
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| Preceded by Robert de Brus |
2nd Lord of Annandale |
Succeeded by William de Brus |
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Biography
Robert (Brus) de Brus IInd of Annandale is a member of House of Bruce.
He was a 12th century Norman noble and Lord of Annandale. He was the son, perhaps the second son, of Robert de Brus, 1st Lord of Annandale.
The elder de Brus' allegiances were compromised when David I invaded England in the later 1130s, and he had renounced his fealty to David before the Battle of the Standard in 1138. The younger Robert however remained loyal and took over his father's land in Scotland, whilst the English territories remained with the elder Robert and passed to the latter's elder son Adam. Bruce family tradition has it that Robert II was captured by his father at the battle and given over to King Stephen of England.
A legend tells that in the 1140s, Robert II was visited at Annan by St. Malachy. St Malachy asked Robert to pardon a thief, but Robert hung him anyway, and for this the River Annan destroyed part of his castle and the de Brus line received a curse from the holy man. Robert made Lochmaben the centre of his lordship and constructed a new caputthere.
Marriage and Children
He married, sometime before 1160 (date of grant by Robert de Brus and Eufemia his wife, to the canons of Guisbro' of the church of St Hilda's Isle),[1] Euphemia, a daughter of Enguerrand Aumale, whose father was Stephen, Count of Aumale.
- Euphemie Aumale Her origin is indicated by the charter dated to [1150/60] under which “W. comes Albemarle” granted property to “Eufemie nepti mee uxori Roberti de Brus”[152]. Domesday Descendants speculates that she was the daughter of Guillaume’s brother Enguerrand[153], although there seems no reason to choose one of his brothers over any of the others. Another possibility is that she was the daughter of Guillaume’s sister Mathilde, whose husband Guermond de Picquigny is recorded with a sister named Euphemie. “Robertus de Brus” notified his donation to the hospital of St Peter, York by charter dated to [1150/70], witnessed by “domina Eufemia…”[154]. m ROBERT de Brus Lord of Annandale, son of ROBERT de Brus Lord of Skelton and Annandale & his first wife Agnes de Payanell (-after [1170/90]).] [2]
There were at least three children from this marriage: (See research notes)
Death
Robert was buried at Gisborough Priory in North Riding, Yorkshire, a monastery founded by his father Robert I de Brus. As his eldest son, Robert, predeceased him, he was succeeded by his second son William.
Research Notes
There are two additional children sometimes attributed to this family:
- a son Hugh (a cleric) whose parentage has not been proved. He has been named as a son of Robert when he witnessed several charters, but as these charters were all made by Robert II (later in his life) and William III, he is more likely to have been a son of Robert II.[5]
- a daughter Agatha, who was actually his sister[6]
Sources
- ↑ Farrer, WIlliam. Early Yorkshire Charters. Edinburgh: Ballantyne & Hanson (1914), p. 6, no. 655.
- ↑ cawley Medlands Norman Nobles, Chap 2, Section B; Aumale descendants of Steven
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904), vol. 2, p. 430.
- ↑ Farrer, WIlliam. Early Yorkshire Charters. Edinburgh: Ballantyne & Hanson (1914), p. 8, no. 658. Charter from Robert de Brus II to the monks of Durham, listing among the witnesses "....my sons Robert, William, and Bernard."
- ↑ account of Hugh's life provided in Watt, D.E.R. Biographical Dictionary of Scottish Graduates to A.D. 1410 (1977), p. 67, and cited in Duncan, A.A.M. The Bruces of Annandale, 1100-1304. Transactions of the Dumfriesshire and Galloway Natural History and Antiquarian Society. Dumfries: by the Council of the Society, 3rd ser. (1994), vol. LXIX, p. 93, fn 38.
- ↑ Duncan, A.A.M. The Bruces of Annandale, 1100-1304. Transactions of the Dumfriesshire and Galloway Natural History and Antiquarian Society. Dumfries: by the Council of the Society, 3rd ser. (1994), vol. LXIX, p. 93.
- See Also
- https(://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Brus,_2nd_Lord_of_Annandale
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Basically Wikipedia is very good at obtaining major information, but very poor at the finer details!
Sir Robert (Le Meschin, Cadet) de Bruis, 2nd Lord of Annandale. b. 1124 Annandale, Dumfrieshire, Scotland d. 1190 England Cemetery: Guisborough Priory, Guisborough, Redcar and Cleveland Unitary Authority, North Yorkshire, England.
Title- UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300-Current. URL://www.Findagrave.com/memorial/85747070/robert _de-Brus.
edited by Philip Bruce
"2nd Lord of Annandale. Son of Robert de Brus, 1st Lord of Annandale. Born circa 1118, died 1189 or 1194. Husband of Euphemia de Aumale, father of Robert, William, Bernard, Agatha and Euphemia. A legend tells that in the 1140s, Robert was visited at Annan by St Malachy, who asked Robert to pardon a thief, but Robert hung him anyway, and for this the River Annan destroyed part of his castle and the de Brus line received a curse from the holy man."
These are not sources.
I have a question about source documents, you have noted that “find a grave” is not a valid source document yet you use Wikipedia and ancestry trees as sources, as highlighted below.
As everyone one knows, first WIKIPEDIA can be changed by anyone at anytime, so this would hardly be a foundation source, yes referring to would be fine, reliability would be unknown. As for ancestry trees, data within these trees can be manipulated/deleted/not used to suite the tree managers story, so once again I would be careful about using that as a source document. Just because it’s on a screen doesn’t mean it’s true. Just an observation I have made and I hope this helps, as I have been following all on this issue, after I was shown what a source document should be!
Kindest regards
From the “sources”
(↑ WikipediaRobert Brus, 2nd Lord Annandale https(://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Brus,_2nd_Lord_of_Annandale Ancestry.com family trees 1. Ancestry.com, Public Member Trees, Name: Name: Name: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;;;;, Database online., www.ancestry.com. "Record for William rd Lord Annandale deBrus."
2. Ancestry.com, Public Member Trees, Name: Name: Name: Name: Name: Name: The Generations Network, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;;;;;;, Database online., www.ancestry.com. "Record for Robert, 5th Lord of Annandale Bruce.")
Kindest regards
The ancestry trees noted in this profile are definitely not helpful because there is no link so it could be anyone’s ancestry tree.