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Robert (Bruce) de Brus (1303 - bef. 1332)

Sir Robert "Baron of Liddesdale" de Brus formerly Bruce aka Brus, de Bruys, Brewes, de Bruce
Born in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotlandmap
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Son of and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died before before age 29 in Battle of Dupplin Moor, Dupplin Moor, Scone, Perthshire, Scotlandmap
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Sir Robert of Liddesdale was the son of Robert I, king of Scots, and an unknown mistress.[1] His father provided him with an annual allowance and granted him the lands of Liddisdale which had been forfeited by de Soulis.[2] Between 1320-1326 Robert was also granted the lands of Fornauchi and Goulentyn in Perthshire, which had formerly belonged to the Menzies. In a confirmation charter granted by David II in 1342 he is referred to as "our dearest brother."[1]

Sir Robert died at the Battle of Duplin Moor on 12 August 1332.[3][4]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author (2013), vol. 1, p. 610 BRUS 8.i. Robert de Brus.
  2. Burnett, George (ed). Rotuli Scaccarii Regum Scotorum. The Exchequer Rolls of Scotland. Edinburgh: H.M. General Register House (1878), vol. 1, p. cxxix.
  3. Gray, Thomas. Scalacronica. Edinburgh: printed for the Maitland CLub (1836), p. 160. "Robert de Bruys Fitz bastard le roy Robert" listed among the deaths at the Battle of Dupplin.
  4. Dunbar, Sir Archibald Hamilton. Scottish Kings; A Revised Chronology of Scottish History, 1005-1625. (Edinburgh: D. Douglas, (1899), pp. 141-142.
See Also:
  • The Scots Peerage : Founded On Wood's Ed. Of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage Of Scotland; Containing An Historical And Genealogical Account Of The Nobility Of That Kingdom : Paul, James Balfour, Sir, 1846-1931 : Free Download, Borrow, And Streaming : Internet Archive". Internet Archive. Accessed May 12 2020.>Balfour, Earls of Elgin, Vol III, pgs 466-483




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The Blair Writes. pg 370, DUNDAS, OF BLAIR CASTLE.

ROBERT BRUCE *, the Laird of Clackmannan brother. This Robert Bruce, the Learned Crawford designs, in his notes of Buchanan's History, page 94, "of Airth".It is moreover mentioned that when the storm blew over, which had overwhelmed the Lord Livingston and so many of his friends, the survivors had their attainder removed; and their forfeiture reversed; and the heirs of such as has had been executed, had there estates restored . Among others, ROBERT BRUCE, son and heir of Robert, of Airth, Obtained restitution. ROBERT BRUCE, who was living temp. James II. descended from Sir Edward Bruce, acquired the estate of Airth. On the tomb in Latin: Ex Roberti Brussii Scotarum Regis Filio secando progenito, Baron of Airthensi. On the same tomb appears this English inscription :- Heer lyes a branch of Brusse" noble stemn, Airths Baron, who's high worth did some that name. Hollande his courage honoured, Spain did feare, The Sweeds in Fonen brought the trial deare. At last his Prince's service called him home, to die on the Thame's bank, and leave this tombe, to bear his name into posteritie. And make all brave men love his memorie.

  • Crawford states in his

notes, that Robert Bruce, of Airth, was the Laird of Clackmannan's brother, but the family of Airth never considered themselves a cadet of the Bruce's of Clackmannan, nor have the family of Clackmannan any charter older than those of Airth to prove so. Perhaps it maybe worth mentioning that the Bruce's of Clackmannan got a charter of their lands from King David Bruce. Now the Bruce's of Airth lived at Airth at the time of King Robert Bruce, before David Bruce existed; which proves that the Bruce's of Clackmannan must be either of a different family, or a cadet of the house of Airth. The Bruce's of Airth bore two naked savages.

posted by Philip Bruce
edited by Philip Bruce
Philip, rather than placing quotes from sources, it would be sufficient to provide a brief statement of what you are trying to convey and then give a complete source citation on where the information is to be found.

Also, please try to use sources that are considered reliable for Scottish research. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Scotland_Genealogy_Resources for a list. It also contains a list of sources that are considered "not reliable" which includes Burke's works. In general, any book cited must be one that includes sources in order that the data can be validated. Those you have been using contain no sources. This is especially true for pre-1500 profiles where the requirements on sources are much more strict.

There has been a lot more research that has been done more recently on these families and primary, secondary and original sources have become more available. We want to use those when possible.

Finally, see the https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Pre-1500_Work_without_a_Badge page for what is expected for contributions to pre-1500 profiles.

posted by Doug McCallum UE
Doug, I’m in somewhat of agreement with Philip Bruce, I have check many charters and information Philip has highlighted is found in the following source document, and even breaks it down further. Might need some further investigation.


Reference: The Baronage of Scotland, containing an Historical and Genealogical Account of the Gentry of the Kingdom. Author: Sir Robert Douglas of Glenbervie. Date published- Jan 1798

BRUCE OF CLACKMANNAN- page 238-239 BRUCE OF STENHOUSE-page- 240- 241 BRUCE OF KENNET- page 240- 243 BRUCE OF BLAIRHALL 243- 244 BRUCE OF KINROSS 245- 246

Descent

From Royalty

BRUCE: ALFRED THE GREAT, King of England, to Thomas Dudley. Governor of Massachussets. "Americans of Royal Descent "- Browning. (See Martin Genealogy, Vol.11).

EDWARD III, King of England, to Dorothy Bradstreet, Governor of Massachussets "Americans of Royal Descent".-Browning .(See Martin Genealogy. Vol II ).

HENRY I, King of France, to Elizabeth Cotten, daughter of Rev. Seaborn Cotten. "Americans of Royal Descent ".-Browning. (See Martin Genealogy, Vol.11).

ROBERT BRUCE, King of Scotland, to Abigail Nichols, who married William (Seaborn) Martin.

BRUCE ROBERT DE BRUIS came to England, with William the Conquerer, in 1066, his youngest son Adam DE BRUIS, had a son ROBERT DE BRUS, of Cleveland, he died in 1141, his son ROBERT DE BRUS, Lord of Annandale, born 1124, had a son WILLIAM DE BRUS, who had a son ROBERT DE BRUS, married Isobel, daughter of Earl Huntingdon,and thus laid the foundation of the Royal house of BRUCE . He had a son ROBERT DE BRUCE, Lord of Annandale born in 1210, died 1295, who had a son ROBERT DE BRUCE, Earl of Carrick, married Martha Margaret, Countess of Carrick, he died in 1304, had a son ROBERT BRUCE, who was born March 21, 1274, was crowned King of Scotland, March 27, 1306, at Scone, after a reign of twenty three years, he died June 7, 1329. He had a son ROBERT BRUCE, of Clackmannan, d. 1367, who had a son Sir EDWARD BRUCE, who had a son Sir ROBERT BRUCE, 1393, who had a son Sir DAVID BRUCE, who had a son Sir DAVID BRUCE, 1497, who had a son EDWARD BRUCE, 1565, who had a son ROBERT BRUCE, who had a son Sir GEORGE BRUCE of Carnock, who had a daughter Margaret BRUCE, who married SERG. FRANCIS NICHOLS. "Chambers Encyclopedia "and "Nichols History ", by Walter Nichols. Serg FRANCIS NICHOLS (page II) had a son CALEB NICHOLS, who had a daughter ABIGAIL NICHOLS . (Genealogical No. 28, page 13), who married William ( Seaborn) Martin.

CLACKMA'NNAN,,W. and R . Chambers, 1868 version Chambers Encyclopedia, page 73

posted by Philip Bruce
edited by Philip Bruce
There are no sources given here to show that Robert had a wife named Helen (or that he was ever married), and James Balfour Paul (cited above) says that "[the idea] the Bruces of Clackmannan were descended from a natural son of King Robert i., who was by him created Earl of Ross for life, is not only unfounded but can be positively disproved." Thomas Bruce, 1st of Clackmannan will be removed as a son of the subject of this profile, and Helen removed as his wife, unless anyone can come forth with reliable sources supporting either of those relationships.

Jen, for the Scotland Project

posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Sources quoted do not justify the connection of this profile to Thomas Baron-2101 1st Baron of Clackmannan as is also demonstrated in Burke's Peerage, which indicates that the descendants could be related to a "close relative" of Robert I. This connection is therefore misleading and should not be made according to the high standards required of pre-1500 profiles.

Regards Chris

posted by [Living Laughton]
There is a G2G post on this relationship question connected to the son's profile:

"Who really was the father of Thomas Bruce 1st of Clackmannan?"

posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
This profile is certainly due for a major update, it needs a biography and could use an expanded source list. I just want to point out, however, that none of Burke's references works (including his peerage) are considered reliable sources on WikiTree because they contain a great many errors. Cokayne is more trustworthy.
posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Was there any work officially done to verify this relationship connection? Just curious!
posted by Amelia Utting
Same question here..it seems that the relationship is questionable. I don’t see enough evidence for a family tie. I’m going to add Robert Bruce to my family tree as possible Father of Thomas, 1st of Clackmannan.
posted by Arthur Bates III
He is my direct ancestor also. However, his DOB is not consistent with that of his son Thomas. Neither is the DOB of his wife Helen. These dates should be fixed or else the lineage is suspect.
posted by Steve Selbrede
This my direct relative I traced through the Bruce's of kildrummie book by Bruce and believe I should be acknowlged with herb as profile manager also

Cheers Jeanne

posted by Anonymous Forbes

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